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Michael A. Terrell
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

John Larkin wrote:
Quote:

On 20 Jul 2006 01:59:05 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

The odd thing is that Dubbya and his crew haven't been laughed out of
office - the cartoonists of the American media must be feeling terribly
frustrated by their "loyal" editors.

A head of state can be laughed out of office in a Parliamentary
system. In the USA, the only mechanisms are resignation, impeachment,
or death.

I wonder what life would be like if the government were run by
cartoonists.

John


Bill would be the emperor of the universe, of course.


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Eeyore
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

John Larkin wrote:

Quote:
I wonder what life would be like if the government were run by
cartoonists.

Probably a vast improvement.

I'm forced to conclude that politicians are the very last ppl who should be
allowed to run a country.

Graham
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Eeyore
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

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Eyesore wrote:

You're calling their previous leader ( once in the UK special forces for heaven's sake ) a
coward ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1659585.stm

Get a grip Jim and don't judge other ppl's politics by your own useless American examples.

Graham

You mean, don't be like you and judge everyone else by your UK
examples?

I'm not terribly keen on most of them right now either as it happens.

As I've said elsewhere, I've come to the opinion that politicians are the last ppl who should be
in charge of *anything* !

Graham
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Spehro Pefhany
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:29:15 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

Quote:
On 20 Jul 2006 01:59:05 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:


The odd thing is that Dubbya and his crew haven't been laughed out of
office - the cartoonists of the American media must be feeling terribly
frustrated by their "loyal" editors.

A head of state can be laughed out of office in a Parliamentary
system. In the USA, the only mechanisms are resignation, impeachment,
or death.

...or incapacity. But there's no way to force an election AFAIK.

Quote:
I wonder what life would be like if the government were run by
cartoonists.

John

Mark Russell could do the press conferences.


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Spehro Pefhany
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Bill Sloman
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Quote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

snip

Because Europe has already cornered the market for putting despots,
dictators and megalomaniacs in power?

Scarcely. Chile had Pinochet, Uganda had Idi Amin, Cuba had Batista,
Dominica had Trujillo. Pakistan has Musharraf. At the moment Europe
can't claim a single despotic meglomaniac, though the CIA is probably
working on finding a sympathetic right-thinking general somewhere
around here to set things back to (far) rights.

Where would Hilter have been without Henry Ford's generous support,
after all.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen


From the look of things, it would have only slowed Hitler down a
little, but that Nazi would have still started his war.

Hitler becoming Chancellor in the first place was a very close run
thing, comparable with Dubbya's success in Florida due to the electoral
machinations of his brother.

Without Henry Ford's generous seed-corn support

http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_06.htm

Hitler would probably not have done well enough to look like a
plausible candidate as Chancellor in 1933.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/named.htm

He wasn't all that plausible at the time, and perceptive commentators a
good idea where he was going. General Erich Ludendorff sent a telegram
to Hindenburg saying "By appointing Hitler Chancellor of the Reich you
have handed over our sacred German Fatherland to one of the greatest
demagogues of all time. I prophesy to you this evil man will plunge our
Reich into the abyss and will inflict immeasurable woe on our nation.
Future generations will curse you in your grave for this action."

That was a pretty accurate prophecy, as prophecies go.

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Paul Hovnanian P.E.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
Quote:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:29:15 -0700, the renowned John Larkin
jjlarkin@highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On 20 Jul 2006 01:59:05 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:


The odd thing is that Dubbya and his crew haven't been laughed out of
office - the cartoonists of the American media must be feeling terribly
frustrated by their "loyal" editors.

A head of state can be laughed out of office in a Parliamentary
system. In the USA, the only mechanisms are resignation, impeachment,
or death.

..or incapacity. But there's no way to force an election AFAIK.

Impeachment. Trouble is, we'd be stuck with Cheney (who is pretty much
running things now, so what's the difference). There s a story about the
impeachment movement in the current issue of The Economist.

I think they have the wrong focus (basing impeachment on constitutional
violations). That would only get rid of Bush and Cheney one at a time
and it wouldn't change anything that they've done to date. I think they
need to go back to the 2000 and 2004 elections and make a case for
election fraud. If the administration's legitimacy can be challenged
from the outset, then decisions and directives they made can be voided.
The subsequent administration wouldn't be bound by any of their policies
as they are when following a legitimate administration.

Even if this is all done after the fact (after 2008), it might still be
worthwhile.


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Michael A. Terrell
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

Eeyore wrote:
Quote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote:

Eyesore wrote:

You're calling their previous leader ( once in the UK special forces for heaven's sake ) a
coward ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1659585.stm

Get a grip Jim and don't judge other ppl's politics by your own useless American examples.

Graham

You mean, don't be like you and judge everyone else by your UK
examples?

I'm not terribly keen on most of them right now either as it happens.

As I've said elsewhere, I've come to the opinion that politicians are the last ppl who should be
in charge of *anything* !

Graham

Its a "Catch 22" situation. Anyone willing to run for office is
unfit for the job, and should be committed for life.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:00:52 -0700, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
<paul@hovnanian.com> wrote:

Quote:
Impeachment. Trouble is, we'd be stuck with Cheney (who is pretty much
running things now, so what's the difference).
That is always a concern with impeaching the president. I also asked

those who were after Clinton why they were so enamoured with Gore.
We have had worse choices. When they wanted to throw out the 2000
election we could have ended up with president Strom Thurmond.
(Hastert had said ie would not take the job).
If by some strange turn of events you got rid of Cheney and Bush, you
might end up with president Ted Stevens, assuming Hastert still does
not want it. I suppose that might depend on the outcome of the mid
terms. President Pelosi might be troubling too.
When we look at the people who run Washington it scares the hell out
of me. What can you expect when they all make less money than the
owner of a successful Roto-Rooter franchise.
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Richard the Dreaded Liber
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:23:40 -0700, CoreyWhite wrote:

Quote:
Work = Force X Distance. So obviously it takes more force to drive
faster in a car, and the same distance is traveled regardless of how
fast you are going. So if we reduce the speed limits we will save money
and gas!!!!

Or, you could take it upon yourself to drive sensibly, and not need
another layer of bureaucracy on top of you.

Good Luck!
Rich
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Richard the Dreaded Liber
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:01 am    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:39:21 -0700, dagmargoodboat wrote:

Quote:

CoreyWhite@gmail.com wrote:
Work = Force X Distance. So obviously it takes more force to drive
faster in a car, and the same distance is traveled regardless of how
fast you are going. So if we reduce the speed limits we will save money
and gas!!!!

But are you sure it's that simple? Forcing people to drive slower
for any distance will itself take a lot of work, and cause lots of
heartburn/indigestion. Indigestion is bad: it releases greenhouse
gases.

OTOH, what if the people are driving *to* work?

In this neck of the woods the freeways are jam-packed most of the day
with cars travelling 15-20MPH, but somehow that doesn't seem to help.

It's all very complicated. Let's just tax the rich instead, okay?


Nah. Just kill all the lawyers.

Cheers!
Rich
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Richard The Dreaded Liber
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:23:40 -0700, CoreyWhite wrote:

Quote:
Work = Force X Distance. So obviously it takes more force to drive
faster in a car, and the same distance is traveled regardless of how
fast you are going. So if we reduce the speed limits we will save money
and gas!!!!

It's been done. Trickee Dickee issued in imperial edict to that effect,
in about the 1970's. It was an unmitigated disaster, and because of that
and other high crimes and misdemeanors, he was drummed out of office in
disgrace.

Thanks anyway,
RIch
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Phat Bytestard
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:06 am    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

On 20 Jul 2006 08:00:45 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org Gave us:

Quote:

Phat Bytestard wrote:
On 19 Jul 2006 12:47:55 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org Gave us:

If I were you, I'd claim to drink - alcohol induced stupidity is more
or less transient (if you don't drink too much, too often).

Is your IQ above 30?

High enough that regular IQ tests don't give useful results.

You're full of s**t. Face it.
Quote:

I think that YOU are the one that is FAT.

Body mass index 24.87 as of this morning, 25 is fat, so you're opinion
is false, by a narrow margin. I would refer to be lighter.

You're fat. Face it.

Quote:
I think that YOU are the one that has been drinking too.

One glass of white wine - admittedly a Premier Cru Chablis - last
night.

Then why are you making such stupid remarks in your posts?
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Phat Bytestard
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:07 am    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

On 20 Jul 2006 08:08:23 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org Gave us:

Quote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

If I were you, I'd claim to drink - alcohol induced stupidity is more
or less transient (if you don't drink too much, too often).

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

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The odd thing is that Dubbya and his crew haven't been laughed out of
office - the cartoonists of the American media must be feeling terribly
frustrated by their "loyal" editors.

You have a VERY rich fantasy life, Bill.

If only it were fantasy. If some conspiracy theory whacko novelist had
produced a tale of the U.S. government being taken over by a bunch of
red-neck oil-barons who start an unnecessary war because they are too
dumb and parochial to undestand what their intelligence people are
telling them, he'd have been dismissed as ridiculous only a few years
ago.

High time you got your electoral spending laws reformed.

You couldn't be a statesman if your life depended on it.
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Phat Bytestard
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:09 am    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:42:10 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell@earthlink.net> Gave us:

Quote:
John Larkin wrote:

On 20 Jul 2006 01:59:05 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

The odd thing is that Dubbya and his crew haven't been laughed out of
office - the cartoonists of the American media must be feeling terribly
frustrated by their "loyal" editors.

A head of state can be laughed out of office in a Parliamentary
system. In the USA, the only mechanisms are resignation, impeachment,
or death.

I wonder what life would be like if the government were run by
cartoonists.

John


Bill would be the emperor of the universe, of course.

One day at a time, and naked, of course.

15 jerks... errr seconds of fame.
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Jim Thompson
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: Re: Do The Math: Drive Slower & Save Gas Reply with quote

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:09:42 GMT, Phat Bytestard
<phatbytestard@getinmahharddrive.org> wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:42:10 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell@earthlink.net> Gave us:

John Larkin wrote:

On 20 Jul 2006 01:59:05 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

The odd thing is that Dubbya and his crew haven't been laughed out of
office - the cartoonists of the American media must be feeling terribly
frustrated by their "loyal" editors.

A head of state can be laughed out of office in a Parliamentary
system. In the USA, the only mechanisms are resignation, impeachment,
or death.

I wonder what life would be like if the government were run by
cartoonists.

John


Bill would be the emperor of the universe, of course.

One day at a time, and naked, of course.

15 jerks... errr seconds of fame.

Figures (for Bill), 400+ is normal ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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