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Jim Thompson
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On 4 Jul 2006 09:06:47 -0700, "Richard Henry" <pomerado@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
A propos for July 4th:

1. Yesterday I dropped my daughter off at a friend's house for a pool
party. I noticed small US flags planted at the corneers of the public
and private sidewalks thorughout the neighborhood. I looked closely at
the flag in front of the friend's house: below the flag on the stick
was an advertising banner for a local mortgage company.

That seems to be the gimmick of the year... around here a real estate
agent distributed flags. I have no problem with that.

Quote:

2. In a teaser for a cable TV show, I saw Jesse James (the
hotrod/motorcycle builder), while visiting troops in Iraq, autograph a
US flag wih an indelible pen.

That annoys me, but not quite to the "shovel upside the head" level.

Quote:

3. (A little late for Dominion Day (oops, according to wikipedia it is
now officially Canada Day)): on the OLN Tour de France show this
morning I noticed a Canadian flag painted in the middle of the road,
right where many of the bicycles had to ride over it.

It's not a US flag, so who cares ?:-)

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martin griffith
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

Quote:
hotrod/motorcycle builder), while visiting troops in Iraq, autograph a
US flag wih an indelible pen.

Who cares, its only a flag



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Fred Bloggs
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

Quote:

1. Yesterday I dropped my daughter off at a friend's house for a pool
party. I noticed small US flags planted at the corneers of the public
and private sidewalks thorughout the neighborhood. I looked closely at
the flag in front of the friend's house: below the flag on the stick
was an advertising banner for a local mortgage company.

2. In a teaser for a cable TV show, I saw Jesse James (the
hotrod/motorcycle builder), while visiting troops in Iraq, autograph a
US flag wih an indelible pen.

3. (A little late for Dominion Day (oops, according to wikipedia it is
now officially Canada Day)): on the OLN Tour de France show this
morning I noticed a Canadian flag painted in the middle of the road,
right where many of the bicycles had to ride over it.


The whole bit with the flag is just more irrelevant hoi-poloi political
bs for the ignoraTards. The truth is pretty bad, the nation has gone to
hell. For example:

quote
The premeditated rape and murders are just the latest in the long line
of horrific war crimes from Abu Ghraib to Haditha. Bush supporters are
still in denial about each incident. It is amazing that Bush supporters
think we have a John Wayne military when, according to news reports,
recruitment problems have resulted in the military accepting felons,
drug users, thugs, low-IQ high school dropouts, and illegal Mexicans
promised green cards for signing up. Apparently, the same people who
make America's streets unsafe for Americans make Iraqi streets unsafe
for Iraqis. In response to the declining caliber of new recruits, some
of our best troops are refusing to reenlist. Several have written to me
that "the Army has left them."
end quote

In addition, some of the larger urban gangs are making their members
enlist in the Army for the specific purpose of receiving urban warfare
training. This has been reported by several reservists who were also
civilian police gang crime experts in the US- they noticed the tell-tale
graffiti on our armored vehicles in Iraq- and lots of troops walking
around with gang memebership tatoos.
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Jim Thompson
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:31:04 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

[snip]
Quote:
The premeditated rape and murders are just the latest in the long line
of horrific war crimes from Abu Ghraib to Haditha. Bush supporters are
still in denial about each incident. It is amazing that Bush supporters
think we have a John Wayne military when, according to news reports,
recruitment problems have resulted in the military accepting felons,
drug users, thugs, low-IQ high school dropouts, and illegal Mexicans
promised green cards for signing up. Apparently, the same people who
make America's streets unsafe for Americans make Iraqi streets unsafe
for Iraqis. In response to the declining caliber of new recruits, some
of our best troops are refusing to reenlist. Several have written to me
that "the Army has left them."
end quote

In addition, some of the larger urban gangs are making their members
enlist in the Army for the specific purpose of receiving urban warfare
training. This has been reported by several reservists who were also
civilian police gang crime experts in the US- they noticed the tell-tale
graffiti on our armored vehicles in Iraq- and lots of troops walking
around with gang memebership tatoos.

Fred, Go suck a Democrat ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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Fred Bloggs
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:
On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:31:04 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:

[snip]

The premeditated rape and murders are just the latest in the long line
of horrific war crimes from Abu Ghraib to Haditha. Bush supporters are
still in denial about each incident. It is amazing that Bush supporters
think we have a John Wayne military when, according to news reports,
recruitment problems have resulted in the military accepting felons,
drug users, thugs, low-IQ high school dropouts, and illegal Mexicans
promised green cards for signing up. Apparently, the same people who
make America's streets unsafe for Americans make Iraqi streets unsafe
for Iraqis. In response to the declining caliber of new recruits, some
of our best troops are refusing to reenlist. Several have written to me
that "the Army has left them."
end quote

In addition, some of the larger urban gangs are making their members
enlist in the Army for the specific purpose of receiving urban warfare
training. This has been reported by several reservists who were also
civilian police gang crime experts in the US- they noticed the tell-tale
graffiti on our armored vehicles in Iraq- and lots of troops walking
around with gang memebership tatoos.


Fred, Go suck a Democrat ;-)

...Jim Thompson

See my other post about those riffraff...
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Luhan
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

Richard Henry wrote:
Quote:
A propos for July 4th:

1. Yesterday I dropped my daughter off at a friend's house for a pool
party. I noticed small US flags planted at the corneers of the public
and private sidewalks thorughout the neighborhood. I looked closely at
the flag in front of the friend's house: below the flag on the stick
was an advertising banner for a local mortgage company.

2. In a teaser for a cable TV show, I saw Jesse James (the
hotrod/motorcycle builder), while visiting troops in Iraq, autograph a
US flag wih an indelible pen.

3. (A little late for Dominion Day (oops, according to wikipedia it is
now officially Canada Day)): on the OLN Tour de France show this
morning I noticed a Canadian flag painted in the middle of the road,
right where many of the bicycles had to ride over it.


I'm a veteran.

Making flag burning illegal, makes it into an object - instead of a
symbol. You can destroy an object, nothing can destroy a symbol.
Creating a special case for our flag does not mean it would no longer
stand for freedom, it just means it would stand for a bit less.

Luhan
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Jim Thompson
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:42:11 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

Quote:


Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 16:31:04 GMT, Fred Bloggs <nospam@nospam.com
wrote:

[snip]

The premeditated rape and murders are just the latest in the long line
of horrific war crimes from Abu Ghraib to Haditha. Bush supporters are
still in denial about each incident. It is amazing that Bush supporters
think we have a John Wayne military when, according to news reports,
recruitment problems have resulted in the military accepting felons,
drug users, thugs, low-IQ high school dropouts, and illegal Mexicans
promised green cards for signing up. Apparently, the same people who
make America's streets unsafe for Americans make Iraqi streets unsafe
for Iraqis. In response to the declining caliber of new recruits, some
of our best troops are refusing to reenlist. Several have written to me
that "the Army has left them."
end quote

In addition, some of the larger urban gangs are making their members
enlist in the Army for the specific purpose of receiving urban warfare
training. This has been reported by several reservists who were also
civilian police gang crime experts in the US- they noticed the tell-tale
graffiti on our armored vehicles in Iraq- and lots of troops walking
around with gang memebership tatoos.


Fred, Go suck a Democrat ;-)

...Jim Thompson

See my other post about those riffraff...

My apologies!

...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
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| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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Jim Thompson
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On 4 Jul 2006 09:48:12 -0700, "Luhan" <luhanis@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:

Richard Henry wrote:
A propos for July 4th:

1. Yesterday I dropped my daughter off at a friend's house for a pool
party. I noticed small US flags planted at the corneers of the public
and private sidewalks thorughout the neighborhood. I looked closely at
the flag in front of the friend's house: below the flag on the stick
was an advertising banner for a local mortgage company.

2. In a teaser for a cable TV show, I saw Jesse James (the
hotrod/motorcycle builder), while visiting troops in Iraq, autograph a
US flag wih an indelible pen.

3. (A little late for Dominion Day (oops, according to wikipedia it is
now officially Canada Day)): on the OLN Tour de France show this
morning I noticed a Canadian flag painted in the middle of the road,
right where many of the bicycles had to ride over it.


I'm a veteran.

Making flag burning illegal, makes it into an object - instead of a
symbol. You can destroy an object, nothing can destroy a symbol.
Creating a special case for our flag does not mean it would no longer
stand for freedom, it just means it would stand for a bit less.

Luhan

Agreed!

However I would like a LAW... burn a flag in my presence enables me a
one-time exercise of a right without penalty... one shot upside your
head with a shovel ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

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Bill Sloman
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:
On 4 Jul 2006 09:48:12 -0700, "Luhan" <luhanis@yahoo.com> wrote:


Richard Henry wrote:
A propos for July 4th:

1. Yesterday I dropped my daughter off at a friend's house for a pool
party. I noticed small US flags planted at the corneers of the public
and private sidewalks thorughout the neighborhood. I looked closely at
the flag in front of the friend's house: below the flag on the stick
was an advertising banner for a local mortgage company.

2. In a teaser for a cable TV show, I saw Jesse James (the
hotrod/motorcycle builder), while visiting troops in Iraq, autograph a
US flag wih an indelible pen.

3. (A little late for Dominion Day (oops, according to wikipedia it is
now officially Canada Day)): on the OLN Tour de France show this
morning I noticed a Canadian flag painted in the middle of the road,
right where many of the bicycles had to ride over it.


I'm a veteran.

Making flag burning illegal, makes it into an object - instead of a
symbol. You can destroy an object, nothing can destroy a symbol.
Creating a special case for our flag does not mean it would no longer
stand for freedom, it just means it would stand for a bit less.

Luhan

Agreed!

However I would like a LAW... burn a flag in my presence enables me a
one-time exercise of a right without penalty... one shot upside your
head with a shovel Wink

My, how I wish Jim had enough sense to realise that you can't have laws
like that - it's just one more version of vigilante action, and sillier
than most.

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Fred Bloggs
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
Quote:
Jim Thompson wrote:

On 4 Jul 2006 09:48:12 -0700, "Luhan" <luhanis@yahoo.com> wrote:


Richard Henry wrote:

A propos for July 4th:

1. Yesterday I dropped my daughter off at a friend's house for a pool
party. I noticed small US flags planted at the corneers of the public
and private sidewalks thorughout the neighborhood. I looked closely at
the flag in front of the friend's house: below the flag on the stick
was an advertising banner for a local mortgage company.

2. In a teaser for a cable TV show, I saw Jesse James (the
hotrod/motorcycle builder), while visiting troops in Iraq, autograph a
US flag wih an indelible pen.

3. (A little late for Dominion Day (oops, according to wikipedia it is
now officially Canada Day)): on the OLN Tour de France show this
morning I noticed a Canadian flag painted in the middle of the road,
right where many of the bicycles had to ride over it.


I'm a veteran.

Making flag burning illegal, makes it into an object - instead of a
symbol. You can destroy an object, nothing can destroy a symbol.
Creating a special case for our flag does not mean it would no longer
stand for freedom, it just means it would stand for a bit less.

Luhan

Agreed!

However I would like a LAW... burn a flag in my presence enables me a
one-time exercise of a right without penalty... one shot upside your
head with a shovel ;-)


My, how I wish Jim had enough sense to realise that you can't have laws
like that - it's just one more version of vigilante action, and sillier
than most.


There is a traditional English common law right of necessity- an act
necessary to prevent a serious crime. So if flag burning is made a
felony then...
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Luhan
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
Quote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On 4 Jul 2006 09:48:12 -0700, "Luhan" <luhanis@yahoo.com> wrote:


Richard Henry wrote:
A propos for July 4th:

1. Yesterday I dropped my daughter off at a friend's house for a pool
party. I noticed small US flags planted at the corneers of the public
and private sidewalks thorughout the neighborhood. I looked closely at
the flag in front of the friend's house: below the flag on the stick
was an advertising banner for a local mortgage company.

2. In a teaser for a cable TV show, I saw Jesse James (the
hotrod/motorcycle builder), while visiting troops in Iraq, autograph a
US flag wih an indelible pen.

3. (A little late for Dominion Day (oops, according to wikipedia it is
now officially Canada Day)): on the OLN Tour de France show this
morning I noticed a Canadian flag painted in the middle of the road,
right where many of the bicycles had to ride over it.


I'm a veteran.

Making flag burning illegal, makes it into an object - instead of a
symbol. You can destroy an object, nothing can destroy a symbol.
Creating a special case for our flag does not mean it would no longer
stand for freedom, it just means it would stand for a bit less.

Luhan

Agreed!

However I would like a LAW... burn a flag in my presence enables me a
one-time exercise of a right without penalty... one shot upside your
head with a shovel ;-)

My, how I wish Jim had enough sense to realise that you can't have laws
like that - it's just one more version of vigilante action, and sillier
than most.

I fully support Jim's right to be a really pissed-off American!!

Luhan
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Roy L. Fuchs
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:17:11 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

Quote:
That annoys me, but not quite to the "shovel upside the head" level.

ALA Blazing Saddles...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:28:30 +0200, martin griffith
<mart_in_medina@yahoo.esXXX> Gave us:

Quote:

hotrod/motorcycle builder), while visiting troops in Iraq, autograph a
US flag wih an indelible pen.

Who cares, its only a flag


You're only an idiot, and we let you hang around... right?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

In article <1152031691.985427.102710@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
Luhan <luhanis@yahoo.com> wrote:
[....]
Quote:
Making flag burning illegal, makes it into an object - instead of a
symbol. You can destroy an object, nothing can destroy a symbol.
Creating a special case for our flag does not mean it would no longer
stand for freedom, it just means it would stand for a bit less.

Just make it out of something that doesn't burn.

--
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kensmith@rahul.net forging knowledge
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Jim Thompson
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:10:17 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken
Smith) wrote:

Quote:
In article <1152031691.985427.102710@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
Luhan <luhanis@yahoo.com> wrote:
[....]
Making flag burning illegal, makes it into an object - instead of a
symbol. You can destroy an object, nothing can destroy a symbol.
Creating a special case for our flag does not mean it would no longer
stand for freedom, it just means it would stand for a bit less.

Just make it out of something that doesn't burn.

--

Or make the smoke lethal ?:-)

...Jim Thompson
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