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Phat Bytestard
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:46 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On 19 Jul 2006 02:37:02 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org Gave us:

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The word rheostat, coined in 1843 by English physicist Sir Charles
Wheatstone (1802-75) comes from the Greek. rheos "a flowing, stream"
(from PIE base *sreu-, see rheum) + -stat "regulating device" and
doesn't have any implied wattage.

However, HISTORICALLY, over DECADES, the device that got made and
called a "rheostat" was nearly ALWAYS a high wattage device. Back
then, there were no carbon film potentiometers OR rheostats.

It is simply a current regulator. Whereas a resistor with a tap is a
voltage divider. If that tap is movable it is called what we have
come to know as "potentiometer". The actual device is STILL a
potentiometer, even if used in a rheostatic manner. Hence the
reference designation moniker "VR" or "Variable Resistor".
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Phat Bytestard
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:47 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On 19 Jul 2006 03:02:16 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org Gave us:

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Most people call
them twiddle pots.

Most English dweebs, you mean. You are still Slow, man. Real slow.
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joseph2k
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:46 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

David Brown wrote:

Quote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

snip


Not very - and your disadvantaged social groups are heavily
over-represented in your military forces, in part because your society
offers the disadvantaged the unsavoury bargain of teaching them a trade
if they will are willing to risk getting shot in Irak (or some equally
dangerous area).


Disadvantaged social groups are *always* heavily over-represented in any
military force. It's not really a very nice career - it makes a great
deal of demands on you physically, mentally and socially, and pretty
much removes you from normal life. For countries like the US that like
to get involved in wars, it's also pretty dangerous (for more pacifist
countries like Norway, it's a lot less dangerous than being a builder or
a farmer). And if you go to war, there's a pretty good chance that
you'll find out you were fooled and fighting for politics or money,
rather than to defend your country and people. When you get back, you
have the joys of veteran life to look forward to, including
post-traumatic stress, long-term health problems from the DU munitions
and other nuclear or chemical weapons you've been using, disabilities
(far more with this war, as the combination of body armour and better
medical treatments keep you alive despite missing bits), fights over
pensions. All in all, it's not a great choice if you are capable of a
different career.

On the other hand, baring war time, it's a pretty good option if you are
"socially disadvantaged". For lowly grunts, there is not much call for
intelligence, you get as much training as you can handle (some of which
can be useful in later civilian life), and for many, the military can
provide stability and a surrogate family that is missing from their
lives. You don't have much responsibility, and the day-to-day chores of
living, such as dealing with money and bills, keeping a house, etc., are
pretty much taken care of. Even with the Iraq war, for many the
benefits outweigh the risks.




snip

Golly, you claim to know a lot about the typical military person and the
typical way their lives are organized. Have you actually been there? You
sound like a third hand gossip. I too have a DD214.

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JosephKK
Gegen dummheit kampfen die Gotter Selbst, vergebens.  
--Schiller
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joseph2k
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:54 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

Joel Kolstad wrote:

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"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:abt7b2dfj04hp7r95e2vtn83s0bgn8rui9@4ax.com...
As usual, it's bleeding edge. Comments next year ;-)

Ah, c'mon, in my experience *every* company likes to believe it's doing
bleeding edge development!

:-)

Will be looking forward to your comments in 2007...

Jim's list of paying patents is world class, had some more just this year.
Sounds pretty bleedin' edge to me. (I looked some up)
You have been around this group long enough to have heard this.

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JosephKK
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--Schiller
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joseph2k
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Quote:

John Fields wrote:
On 8 Jul 2006 15:54:27 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:


John Fields wrote:
On 7 Jul 2006 16:02:58 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:


Michael A. Terrell wrote:
John Fields wrote:

On 7 Jul 2006 07:27:02 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

snip

---
Why don't you try opening a consultancy? You certainly have the
time, and since you're around my age and no one's going to hire you
as an employee anyway, what can you lose?

I put in a bit of effort at that in the late 1990s, when I was employed
part-time at Nijmegen University, but it generated very little work,
and really wasn't worth the effort.

I just don't have the contacts arond here to pick up the work. One of
my previous bosses recommended taking up golf - he got as much work as
he could handle (outside normal working hours) from his golf club, but
it isn't a sport I can stomach.


And the question is reiterated, can you or can't you find a way to make the
contacts? Can you or can't you do the work. If it is new and alien can
you learn?

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JosephKK
Gegen dummheit kampfen die Gotter Selbst, vergebens.  
--Schiller
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Eeyore
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Quote:
One of
my previous bosses recommended taking up golf - he got as much work as
he could handle (outside normal working hours) from his golf club, but
it isn't a sport I can stomach.

What the heck is the problem ?

I haven't played golf in ages but I've never thought of it as being something
that was problematical to stomach ! It can be really good fun actually !

I'd rather like to get stuck in again actually. I find tennis more challenging
though ( and I seem to be tolerably good at it ).

Graham
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John Fields
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:11:34 GMT, joseph2k <cooltechblue@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Quote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:


John Fields wrote:
On 8 Jul 2006 15:54:27 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:


John Fields wrote:
On 7 Jul 2006 16:02:58 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:


Michael A. Terrell wrote:
John Fields wrote:

On 7 Jul 2006 07:27:02 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

snip

---
Why don't you try opening a consultancy? You certainly have the
time, and since you're around my age and no one's going to hire you
as an employee anyway, what can you lose?

I put in a bit of effort at that in the late 1990s, when I was employed
part-time at Nijmegen University, but it generated very little work,
and really wasn't worth the effort.

I just don't have the contacts arond here to pick up the work. One of
my previous bosses recommended taking up golf - he got as much work as
he could handle (outside normal working hours) from his golf club, but
it isn't a sport I can stomach.


And the question is reiterated, can you or can't you find a way to make the
contacts? Can you or can't you do the work. If it is new and alien can
you learn?

---
I think Bill's found his comfort zone.

His wife works, and that with what he gets from the government is
enough to keep him from having to make a real attempt at making a
living.


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Professional Circuit Designer
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Bill Sloman
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
news:loqub29gsc8hio5bjnqv2htph64aihkobj@4ax.com...
Quote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:11:34 GMT, joseph2k <cooltechblue@yahoo.com
wrote:

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:


John Fields wrote:
On 8 Jul 2006 15:54:27 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:


John Fields wrote:
On 7 Jul 2006 16:02:58 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:


Michael A. Terrell wrote:
John Fields wrote:

On 7 Jul 2006 07:27:02 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

snip

---
Why don't you try opening a consultancy? You certainly have the
time, and since you're around my age and no one's going to hire you
as an employee anyway, what can you lose?

I put in a bit of effort at that in the late 1990s, when I was employed
part-time at Nijmegen University, but it generated very little work,
and really wasn't worth the effort.

I just don't have the contacts arond here to pick up the work. One of
my previous bosses recommended taking up golf - he got as much work as
he could handle (outside normal working hours) from his golf club, but
it isn't a sport I can stomach.


And the question is reiterated, can you or can't you find a way to make
the
contacts? Can you or can't you do the work. If it is new and alien can
you learn?

---
I think Bill's found his comfort zone.

His wife works, and that with what he gets from the government is
enough to keep him from having to make a real attempt at making a
living.

To keep getting what I get from the government, I have to apply for at least
one job every week. At the moment I'm having no trouble finding at least one
advertised job to apply for every week.
That's a job that I could do, that I'd like to do, and for which I wouldn't
have to travel too far every day. In good weeks I can find a couple of jobs
to apply for, and apply for all of them.

From time to time jobs come up where they really ought to hire me, and I
also ring up the contact people and pester them a bit - not that this has
ever seemed to help.

If I followed the "What Colour is your Parachute" procedure and sorted out
every potentially employer within an hour's commute, and cold called the lot
of them, I might do better, but I sincerely doubt it.
In general, the Dutch don't regard a 63-year-old who wants to work as a
serious job-seeker, but as some kind of nut, and a cold-calling 63-year-old
job seeker would really get them worried.

As for learning new and alien stuff - that is my meat and drink. The last
job I had in the Netherlands - for Haffmans BV - mainly revolved around two
projects, a battery powered conductivity meter and a machine for measuring
the residual foam sticking to the sides of an empty beer glass. Neither had
much to d with anything that I'd done before, and the conductivity meter
project had to be rescued from engineers who didn't have a clue about
measuring the conductivity of aqueous solutions - I didn't either when I
started, but I did have enough sense to spend an afternoon in the Nijmegen
University Chemistry library reading up on the problem. The editor of the
most useful book I found - one Bob Greef - had been an acquaintance of mine
at Southampton University 1971-73, but I think I can write that off to
coincidence.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Bill Sloman
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> schreef in
bericht news:44BF16EA.EF0831F6@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com...
Quote:


bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

One of
my previous bosses recommended taking up golf - he got as much work as
he could handle (outside normal working hours) from his golf club, but
it isn't a sport I can stomach.

What the heck is the problem ?

I haven't played golf in ages but I've never thought of it as being
something
that was problematical to stomach ! It can be really good fun actually !

I'd rather like to get stuck in again actually. I find tennis more
challenging
though ( and I seem to be tolerably good at it ).

You've got to wack a little ball very hard and get it to go exactly where
you want it to go. You can't allow yourself to tense up or get anxious,
otherwises it will mess up your swing, and blow the whole deal.

I have enough trouble hitting a field hockey ball accurately and reliably
whenever I've got time to think about it - there isn't anything wrong with
my snap hits - and I really don't have the right personality for golf.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Michael A. Terrell
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

Bill Sloman wrote:
Quote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> schreef in
bericht news:44BF16EA.EF0831F6@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com...


bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

One of
my previous bosses recommended taking up golf - he got as much work as
he could handle (outside normal working hours) from his golf club, but
it isn't a sport I can stomach.

What the heck is the problem ?

I haven't played golf in ages but I've never thought of it as being
something
that was problematical to stomach ! It can be really good fun actually !

I'd rather like to get stuck in again actually. I find tennis more
challenging
though ( and I seem to be tolerably good at it ).

You've got to wack a little ball very hard and get it to go exactly where
you want it to go. You can't allow yourself to tense up or get anxious,
otherwises it will mess up your swing, and blow the whole deal.

I have enough trouble hitting a field hockey ball accurately and reliably
whenever I've got time to think about it - there isn't anything wrong with
my snap hits - and I really don't have the right personality for golf.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen


No, you can't slur the ball and shame it into the hole, can you?


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prove it.
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Bill Sloman
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Quote:
Bill Sloman wrote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> schreef in
bericht news:44BF16EA.EF0831F6@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com...


bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

One of
my previous bosses recommended taking up golf - he got as much work as
he could handle (outside normal working hours) from his golf club, but
it isn't a sport I can stomach.

What the heck is the problem ?

I haven't played golf in ages but I've never thought of it as being
something
that was problematical to stomach ! It can be really good fun actually !

I'd rather like to get stuck in again actually. I find tennis more
challenging
though ( and I seem to be tolerably good at it ).

You've got to wack a little ball very hard and get it to go exactly where
you want it to go. You can't allow yourself to tense up or get anxious,
otherwises it will mess up your swing, and blow the whole deal.

I have enough trouble hitting a field hockey ball accurately and reliably
whenever I've got time to think about it - there isn't anything wrong with
my snap hits - and I really don't have the right personality for golf.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen


No, you can't slur the ball and shame it into the hole, can you?

That doesn't work for field hockey either, even though the hole is
quite a lot larger.

It certainly doesn't work here - most of the posters here are quite
shameless, and you can't slur anybody who is already sea-green
incorruptible.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Richard the Dreaded Liber
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:38:50 +0100, Eeyore wrote:

Quote:


bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

One of
my previous bosses recommended taking up golf - he got as much work as
he could handle (outside normal working hours) from his golf club, but
it isn't a sport I can stomach.

What the heck is the problem ?

Golf. ;-)

Quote:
I haven't played golf in ages but I've never thought of it as being something
that was problematical to stomach ! It can be really good fun actually !

I'd rather like to get stuck in again actually. I find tennis more challenging
though ( and I seem to be tolerably good at it ).

Once somebody talked me into going out onto a golf course. It was awful.

In any other game that's played with a ball and a stick, when you hit the
ball as far and as accurately as you can with the stick, some other idiot
goes and chases after it.

Cheers!
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Phat Bytestard
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:59:16 +0200, "Bill Sloman"
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> Gave us:

Quote:

"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> schreef in
bericht news:44BF16EA.EF0831F6@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com...


bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

One of
my previous bosses recommended taking up golf - he got as much work as
he could handle (outside normal working hours) from his golf club, but
it isn't a sport I can stomach.

What the heck is the problem ?

I haven't played golf in ages but I've never thought of it as being
something
that was problematical to stomach ! It can be really good fun actually !

I'd rather like to get stuck in again actually. I find tennis more
challenging
though ( and I seem to be tolerably good at it ).

You've got to wack a little ball very hard and get it to go exactly where
you want it to go. You can't allow yourself to tense up or get anxious,
otherwises it will mess up your swing, and blow the whole deal.

I have enough trouble hitting a field hockey ball accurately and reliably
whenever I've got time to think about it - there isn't anything wrong with
my snap hits - and I really don't have the right personality for golf.

You're supposed to take that other hand out of your pants.
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Bill Sloman
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:22 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

Phat Bytestard wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:59:16 +0200, "Bill Sloman"
bill.sloman@ieee.org> Gave us:


"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> schreef in
bericht news:44BF16EA.EF0831F6@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com...


bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

You're supposed to take that other hand out of your pants.

Only if you are restricted to two arms and two hands to start with.

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Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Michael A. Terrell
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:27 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
Quote:

Phat Bytestard wrote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 15:59:16 +0200, "Bill Sloman"
bill.sloman@ieee.org> Gave us:


"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> schreef in
bericht news:44BF16EA.EF0831F6@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com...


bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

You're supposed to take that other hand out of your pants.

Only if you are restricted to two arms and two hands to start with.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen



We don't need to hear abuot what you and your boyfreinds do on the
golf course.


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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

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