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Michael A. Terrell
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
Quote:


Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Someone who runs around beating on people's heads with a shovel because
he doesn't approve of their take on political symbolism might not be a
scoundrel, but would look very like one.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

I'll tell you what, Bill. Come to the US and tell that to a bunch of
US Veterans during a veterans day, or memorial day service. BTW, make
sure your wife knows where you want to be buried, if they can find
enough pieces to send home.


Oh, yeah, "The last refuge of the scoundrel" is a man too damn lazy to
find a job, so he lives off his wife's paycheck while he whines about
everything in the world he can't control.


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prove it.
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Michael A. Terrell
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:

On Tue, 4 Jul 2006 19:10:17 +0000 (UTC), kensmith@green.rahul.net (Ken
Smith) wrote:

In article <1152031691.985427.102710@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>,
Luhan <luhanis@yahoo.com> wrote:
[....]
Making flag burning illegal, makes it into an object - instead of a
symbol. You can destroy an object, nothing can destroy a symbol.
Creating a special case for our flag does not mean it would no longer
stand for freedom, it just means it would stand for a bit less.

Just make it out of something that doesn't burn.

--

Or make the smoke lethal ?Smile


No, make them wrap themselves in it before setting it on fire. Then
toss plenty of gasoline on the moron while he or she burns.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
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<ifitwereme@hotfellows
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

So you've got your DD214, your proud, you may have even killed and stolen
lands from innocent civilians for your government.

Don't make you a nice person though do it?
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The Real Andy
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 19:08:47 GMT, Roy L. Fuchs
<roylfuchs@urfargingicehole.org> wrote:

Quote:
On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:28:30 +0200, martin griffith
mart_in_medina@yahoo.esXXX> Gave us:


hotrod/motorcycle builder), while visiting troops in Iraq, autograph a
US flag wih an indelible pen.

Who cares, its only a flag


You're only an idiot, and we let you hang around... right?

Pot calling the kettle black
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Bill Sloman
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Quote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:


Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

Someone who runs around beating on people's heads with a shovel because
he doesn't approve of their take on political symbolism might not be a
scoundrel, but would look very like one.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

I'll tell you what, Bill. Come to the US and tell that to a bunch of
US Veterans during a veterans day, or memorial day service.

Australia has Anzac day, where similar groups of veterans get drunk,
presumably in order to forget the unpleasant things that happened to
them and around them the time their politicians last failed to do their
job right.

Quote:
BTW, make
sure your wife knows where you want to be buried, if they can find
enough pieces to send home.

I know better than to provke emotionally disturbed drunks.

Quote:
Oh, yeah, "The last refuge of the scoundrel" is a man too damn lazy to
find a job, so he lives off his wife's paycheck while he whines about
everything in the world he can't control.

The "last refuge of a scoundrel" quote is from Samuel Johnson,
apparently aimed at Edmund Burke.

My unemployed state has nothing to do with laziness - one of the
conditions attached to my relatively generous unemployment benefit is
that I have to apply for a job at least once a week (on average) and
I've had no trouble finding jobs to apply for which I'd be happy to
take (and have every expectation of being able to handle).
Unfortunately, the Dutch don't like hiring people over the age of 50,
and I'm 63.

I've had three job interviews in the past three years, of which one
would have lead to a job, if Philips had decided to go through with a
theraputic phased array ultrasound project.

A more energetic assault on the Dutch job market might have done
better, but I doubt it.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Roy L. Fuchs
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:38:56 GMT, <ifitwereme@hotfellowship.com> Gave
us:

Quote:
your proud


You're retarded.
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SioL
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:1152088140.142610.57630@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...

Quote:
My unemployed state has nothing to do with laziness - one of the
conditions attached to my relatively generous unemployment benefit is
that I have to apply for a job at least once a week (on average) and
I've had no trouble finding jobs to apply for which I'd be happy to
take (and have every expectation of being able to handle).
Unfortunately, the Dutch don't like hiring people over the age of 50,
and I'm 63.

I've had three job interviews in the past three years, of which one
would have lead to a job, if Philips had decided to go through with a
theraputic phased array ultrasound project.

A more energetic assault on the Dutch job market might have done
better, but I doubt it.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Bill, what are your areas of expertise?

SioL
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Jim Thompson
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:38:56 GMT, <ifitwereme@hotfellowship.com>
wrote:

Quote:
So you've got your DD214, your proud, you may have even killed and stolen
lands from innocent civilians for your government.

Don't make you a nice person though do it?


Is it normal for Dutch to be as ignorant as this? Or is "ifitwereme"
an aberration?

...Jim Thompson
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John McMillan
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

Warning to protesters from Welsh flagmaker

Feb 10 2006

Robin Turner, Western Mail

A WELSH flagmaker last night issued an urgent safety warning to Muslims
who are buying up his Danish flags to torch in cartoon protests.
Orders for the Danish national red and white flag began flooding in to
Swansea-based business Mr Flag as soon as the Prophet Muhammad
caricatures featured in a Danish newspaper were reprinted in Europe.
"We have experienced a rise in orders for the Danish colours," owner
Robin Ashburner confirmed.
But he warned, "It has to be pointed out though that a number of modern
flags are now made largely of polyester and when they burn they melt.
That means if they are whirled around by a protester, his or her fellow
protesters could be splashed by flying pieces of burning material. If it
got into the eye it could do serious damage so we are about to issue a
warning to this effect on our website."
A wave of anger has swept across the Muslim world at the
multi-publication of the controversial cartoons. Danish and other
European flags have been burnt as far afield as Paris, London,
Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Gaza and the West Bank in
protest.


In Gaza City where Danish and Norwegian flags are usually unseen,
shopkeepers have been putting in big orders to flagmakers. The
Scandinavian flags are now more popular there and in cities like Beirut
and Damascus, where foreign embassies have been burned, than the Star of
David standard, often a flag burning target for anti-Israeli
demonstrators.

Mr Flag, one of the UK's few flagmakers, has cultivated a global market
through its internet site and Mr Ashburner says there is often a "blip"
in sales after world events.

He said, "I had a call just this week from an American guy who was very
fed up with seeing the American flag being burned on news TV. He wanted
to do his own protest and asked me to supply him with the official Hamas
colours so he could be the first American to be shown on CNN burning a
Hamas flag. I had to turn down his request because at the moment Hamas
is still a proscribed terrorist organisation in the UK.

"But as modern flagmakers with an internet site we get feedback almost
straight way after something happens. For instance, after last Sunday's
surprise rugby win by the Scots over the French we had a rise in orders
for the Scottish Saltaire. I am sure it stirred up patriotic fervour to
see such a great win and I am sure we will be seeing a lot of our
Scottish flags in Cardiff and other parts of Wales over the next few
days.

"When it comes to flag burning - and this is a personal not a
professional view - it does not over-concern me. It's an expression of
opinion and if I see the British flag being burnt it does not threaten
me. It just shows some other people have different views. It is better
to take it out on a flag than to indulge in violence.

"A lot of flag burners make their own out of strips of cloth but there
is a trend among shop owners in certain parts of the world to order in
large amounts to sell to protesters. We have had as many orders from
Europe as we have from places like the Middle East so this is very much
a global phenomenon."



Lots more flag stories at http://www.mrflag.com/index.php?doc=65&rev=65
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Bill Sloman
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

SioL wrote:
Quote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:1152088140.142610.57630@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...

My unemployed state has nothing to do with laziness - one of the
conditions attached to my relatively generous unemployment benefit is
that I have to apply for a job at least once a week (on average) and
I've had no trouble finding jobs to apply for which I'd be happy to
take (and have every expectation of being able to handle).
Unfortunately, the Dutch don't like hiring people over the age of 50,
and I'm 63.

I've had three job interviews in the past three years, of which one
would have lead to a job, if Philips had decided to go through with a
theraputic phased array ultrasound project.

A more energetic assault on the Dutch job market might have done
better, but I doubt it.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Bill, what are your areas of expertise?

Send me and e-mail - my e-mail address is real - and I'll send you my
CV.

The short answer is analog design for high precision instruments, and
very fast digital design (ECL etc).

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Michael A. Terrell
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

ifitwereme@hotfellowship.com wrote:
Quote:

So you've got your DD214, your proud, you may have even killed and stolen
lands from innocent civilians for your government.

Don't make you a nice person though do it?


Were you born without balls, or did you have them cut off by your
boyfreind?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
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John Fields
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:38:56 GMT, <ifitwereme@hotfellowship.com>
wrote:

Quote:
So you've got your DD214, your proud, you may have even killed and stolen
lands from innocent civilians for your government.

Don't make you a nice person though do it?

---
No, but it allows stupid, ungrateful fucks like you to be alive and
free so you can make and verbalize judgements about how wrong you
think he was to have done it.


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John Fields
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:47:10 -0500, John Fields
<jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:38:56 GMT, <ifitwereme@hotfellowship.com
wrote:

So you've got your DD214, your proud, you may have even killed and stolen
lands from innocent civilians for your government.

Don't make you a nice person though do it?

---
No, but it allows stupid, ungrateful fucks like you to be alive and
free so you can make and verbalize judgements about how wrong you
think he was to have done it.

---
Here's some more flag desecration:

nmkoa2teecc7ng3l1d71nq8np21i8sgm1n@4ax.com

Or, perhaps, consecration.


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SioL
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:18 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:1152121197.668574.70280@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Quote:

SioL wrote:
bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in message news:1152088140.142610.57630@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...

My unemployed state has nothing to do with laziness - one of the
conditions attached to my relatively generous unemployment benefit is
that I have to apply for a job at least once a week (on average) and
I've had no trouble finding jobs to apply for which I'd be happy to
take (and have every expectation of being able to handle).
Unfortunately, the Dutch don't like hiring people over the age of 50,
and I'm 63.

I've had three job interviews in the past three years, of which one
would have lead to a job, if Philips had decided to go through with a
theraputic phased array ultrasound project.

A more energetic assault on the Dutch job market might have done
better, but I doubt it.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

Bill, what are your areas of expertise?

Send me and e-mail - my e-mail address is real - and I'll send you my
CV.

The short answer is analog design for high precision instruments, and
very fast digital design (ECL etc).
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen

I was just thinking that if you posted this someone might take an interest.

But I'm sure you've written about it enough in the past obviously with poor result.

I'm holding my thumbs for you, hope you find something.

SioL
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Richard The Dreaded Liber
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Flag desecration? Reply with quote

On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:35:04 +0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Quote:
No, make them wrap themselves in it before setting it on fire. Then
toss plenty of gasoline on the moron while he or she burns.

Or, set fire to those who wrap themselves in the flag as they
systematically rape the Constitution.

Thanks,
Rich
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