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jasen
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Audi A6 3.0 Reply with quote

On 2006-07-07, DEM <eleanor05@verizon.net> wrote:
Quote:
The care did not go underwater, there was no flood, but water just
started coming up through the floor all of a sudden.

it all depends on wether any of the water got inside the engine
to do that it'd have to go higer than the axles, probably much higer.

if it did it's probably not covered by the warranty, but may be covered by
fire insurance.

Bye.
Jasen
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Bob Myers
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Audi A6 3.0 Reply with quote

"DEM" <eleanor05@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Hi Bob, thank you for your detailed response. The care did not go
underwater, there was no flood, but water just started coming up
through the floor all of a sudden. There was heavy rains however and I
am not sure if this contributed, but even after I dried it out, after
I sent it for repairs I was told there was still alot more water in
there.

"In there" being actually IN the engine? If not, then this is a lot
different situation than what Ian and I have been speculating about.
Normally, water coming up to the floorboard level would not be a
serious problem for the engine - it's when it gets IN,usually via
the same path the air takes, i.e., through the air intake, filter, and
into the carburetor (on this car, you don't have a carburetor as
such, you have fuel injection - but it's the same basic path for the
air), that you have problem. Getting any real amount of water
into the cylinders is a Really Bad Thing, for the reasons that Ian
originally mentioned, and very likely will cause the engine to
seize IF someone tries to start/run it in that condition. And THAT
would very likely break the timing chain/belt, although that would
likely only be one on a long list of important/expensive bits that
would be damaged. If the water didn't actually get into the
engine, though, but instead just came up around the bottom a
little, then the breakage of the timing belt/chain is more likely an
unrelated occurence.

In any case, though, it sounds like there are multiple things
seriously wrong, and I wish you the best of luck re the warranty
coverage on this.

Bob M.
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DEM
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Audi A6 3.0 Reply with quote

Hi Bob, thank you for your detailed response. The care did not go
underwater, there was no flood, but water just started coming up
through the floor all of a sudden. There was heavy rains however and I
am not sure if this contributed, but even after I dried it out, after
I sent it for repairs I was told there was still alot more water in
there. I only use the car on weekends so not sure at all where the
water came from. I am hoping the warranty covers this problem, but I am
reading other reviews that there was a class action law suit for other
models. Thank you again for your response.
Bob Myers wrote:
Quote:
"DEM" <eleanor05@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I bought a 2004 Audi a year ago. recently the floor flooded and I had
taken it to the shop. I then was told the engine ceased, due to the
timing belt... does anyone know if this could be possible?? I dont know
much about cars, but have concerns as the engine died in shop. Thank
you,

I'm not at all sure why you thought an electronics group was a good
place to ask this question; however...

You were probably told that the engine SEIZED (not "ceased")
due to a broken timing belt. True "seizure," at least as I would
use the term, isn't very likely to happen as a direct result of the timing
belt breaking, but that certainly is NOT a good thing to happen to
most engines. The norm today is the "interference" engine,
meaning that there is less-than-zero clearance between where the
piston is at the top of its stroke, and where the valves are when
fully open - in other words, everything depends on the valve timing
being correct, such that the valves will NOT be in the way when
the piston comes to top-of-stroke. A broken timing belt pretty
much ensures that this timing is WAY wrong, and you wind up
with the valves and pistons coming into contact...forcefully, and
with generally disastrous results.

If this died in the shop, though, the shop may or may not be
responsible for it. I'm not clear on what you mean when you
say the "floor flooded" - are you talking about an actual flood
in which the engine was underwater (and likely took water in)?

Bob M.


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DEM
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Audi A6 3.0 Reply with quote

Thank you Ian, being done as we speak!
ian field wrote:
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"Bob Myers" <nospamplease@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"ian field" <dai.ode@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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If the car has been submerged and water got into the engine, this can
directly result in camshaft seizing up and snapping the timing
belt/chain.
Most modern engines have plain aluminium camshaft bearings (no shells of
any
kind!) and are extremely fussy about adequate lubrication with good
condition - uncontaminated oil!!!

Sure, but again that would be a case of a broken
belt/chain (I believe the Audi 3.0 engine uses a belt, but
I'm far from certain on that) caused BY the seizure, not the
other way around.

Bob M.



It seems from what the OP said, that the damage occurred while the car was
at the shop and the OP only has the shop owners word for what happened, the
only way to sort out what happened first is to strip it down and examine the
trail of destruction!
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I.F.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Audi A6 3.0 Reply with quote

"Bob Myers" <nospamplease@address.invalid> wrote in message
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"ian field" <dai.ode@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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If the car has been submerged and water got into the engine, this can
directly result in camshaft seizing up and snapping the timing
belt/chain.
Most modern engines have plain aluminium camshaft bearings (no shells of
any
kind!) and are extremely fussy about adequate lubrication with good
condition - uncontaminated oil!!!

Sure, but again that would be a case of a broken
belt/chain (I believe the Audi 3.0 engine uses a belt, but
I'm far from certain on that) caused BY the seizure, not the
other way around.

Bob M.



It seems from what the OP said, that the damage occurred while the car was
at the shop and the OP only has the shop owners word for what happened, the
only way to sort out what happened first is to strip it down and examine the
trail of destruction!
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jasen
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: Audi A6 3.0 Reply with quote

On 2006-07-06, DEM <eleanor05@verizon.net> wrote:
Quote:
I bought a 2004 Audi a year ago. recently the floor flooded and I had
taken it to the shop. I then was told the engine ceased,

do you mean "seized"?

Quote:
due to the timing belt... does anyone know if this could be possible?? I dont know
much about cars, but have concerns as the engine died in shop. Thank
you,

A broken timing belt can cause bent valves, valve-guides, piston damage, and
possibly a warped head (OTOH some engines are immune to this catastrophy by
design).

The usual cause of an engine seizing is a lubrication failure. (no oil, pump
failure etc...)

Given the age of the vehicle (or lack thereof) i'd be suspicious of those
claims.

Investigate if if this is a common fault with that model of audi,
possibly contacting a different audi specialist for advice.

investigate the service interval for the timing belt (they should be replaced
after some number of miles) and seeing if your engine was correctly
maintained would also be useful.

You may want to contact a lawyer too.

Bye.
Jasen
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Bob Myers
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 2:09 am    Post subject: Re: Audi A6 3.0 Reply with quote

"ian field" <dai.ode@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
If the car has been submerged and water got into the engine, this can
directly result in camshaft seizing up and snapping the timing belt/chain.
Most modern engines have plain aluminium camshaft bearings (no shells of
any
kind!) and are extremely fussy about adequate lubrication with good
condition - uncontaminated oil!!!

Sure, but again that would be a case of a broken
belt/chain (I believe the Audi 3.0 engine uses a belt, but
I'm far from certain on that) caused BY the seizure, not the
other way around.

Bob M.
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I.F.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Audi A6 3.0 Reply with quote

"Bob Myers" <nospamplease@address.invalid> wrote in message
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Quote:

"DEM" <eleanor05@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1152204029.074815.146490@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
I bought a 2004 Audi a year ago. recently the floor flooded and I had
taken it to the shop. I then was told the engine ceased, due to the
timing belt... does anyone know if this could be possible?? I dont know
much about cars, but have concerns as the engine died in shop. Thank
you,

I'm not at all sure why you thought an electronics group was a good
place to ask this question; however...

You were probably told that the engine SEIZED (not "ceased")
due to a broken timing belt. True "seizure," at least as I would
use the term, isn't very likely to happen as a direct result of the timing
belt breaking, but that certainly is NOT a good thing to happen to
most engines. The norm today is the "interference" engine,
meaning that there is less-than-zero clearance between where the
piston is at the top of its stroke, and where the valves are when
fully open - in other words, everything depends on the valve timing
being correct, such that the valves will NOT be in the way when
the piston comes to top-of-stroke. A broken timing belt pretty
much ensures that this timing is WAY wrong, and you wind up
with the valves and pistons coming into contact...forcefully, and
with generally disastrous results.

If this died in the shop, though, the shop may or may not be
responsible for it. I'm not clear on what you mean when you
say the "floor flooded" - are you talking about an actual flood
in which the engine was underwater (and likely took water in)?

Bob M.






If the car has been submerged and water got into the engine, this can
directly result in camshaft seizing up and snapping the timing belt/chain.
Most modern engines have plain aluminium camshaft bearings (no shells of any
kind!) and are extremely fussy about adequate lubrication with good
condition - uncontaminated oil!!!
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Bob Myers
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Posts: 171

PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Audi A6 3.0 Reply with quote

"DEM" <eleanor05@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:1152204029.074815.146490@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
I bought a 2004 Audi a year ago. recently the floor flooded and I had
taken it to the shop. I then was told the engine ceased, due to the
timing belt... does anyone know if this could be possible?? I dont know
much about cars, but have concerns as the engine died in shop. Thank
you,

I'm not at all sure why you thought an electronics group was a good
place to ask this question; however...

You were probably told that the engine SEIZED (not "ceased")
due to a broken timing belt. True "seizure," at least as I would
use the term, isn't very likely to happen as a direct result of the timing
belt breaking, but that certainly is NOT a good thing to happen to
most engines. The norm today is the "interference" engine,
meaning that there is less-than-zero clearance between where the
piston is at the top of its stroke, and where the valves are when
fully open - in other words, everything depends on the valve timing
being correct, such that the valves will NOT be in the way when
the piston comes to top-of-stroke. A broken timing belt pretty
much ensures that this timing is WAY wrong, and you wind up
with the valves and pistons coming into contact...forcefully, and
with generally disastrous results.

If this died in the shop, though, the shop may or may not be
responsible for it. I'm not clear on what you mean when you
say the "floor flooded" - are you talking about an actual flood
in which the engine was underwater (and likely took water in)?

Bob M.


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DEM
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Audi A6 3.0 Reply with quote

reply to eleanor05@verizon.net- also, following my previous message
the car as 54,000 miles up on it
DEM wrote:
Quote:
I bought a 2004 Audi a year ago. recently the floor flooded and I had
taken it to the shop. I then was told the engine ceased, due to the
timing belt... does anyone know if this could be possible?? I dont know
much about cars, but have concerns as the engine died in shop. Thank
you,
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DEM
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 4:40 pm    Post subject: Audi A6 3.0 Reply with quote

I bought a 2004 Audi a year ago. recently the floor flooded and I had
taken it to the shop. I then was told the engine ceased, due to the
timing belt... does anyone know if this could be possible?? I dont know
much about cars, but have concerns as the engine died in shop. Thank
you,
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