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Tod Adamson
electronics forum beginner


Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: HP16500A Logic Analyzer Help Reply with quote

I just bought a HP16500A logic analyzer. The OS ( Version 6.0) is booted
from a disk drive in the rear. This Unit has three timing modules installed.
In the top slot is a 16550A 100MHz State / 500MHz Timing Module of 96
channels. The next two slots have the HP16516 16 channel 1 GHz Timing
Module. When I boot the analyzer only the top Module is recognized. Does
anyone know why the bottom modules are not being recognized?

Thanks,

Tod
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Keyser Soze
electronics forum beginner


Joined: 13 May 2005
Posts: 31

PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: HP16500A Logic Analyzer Help Reply with quote

"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:4u-dneXHBeJhDifZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Quote:
I just bought a HP16500A logic analyzer. The OS ( Version 6.0) is booted
from a disk drive in the rear. This Unit has three timing modules
installed.
In the top slot is a 16550A 100MHz State / 500MHz Timing Module of 96
channels. The next two slots have the HP16516 16 channel 1 GHz Timing
Module. When I boot the analyzer only the top Module is recognized. Does
anyone know why the bottom modules are not being recognized?

Thanks,

Tod


The 16500 mainframe and each module needs its own system support file.


The 16500 mainframe needs the file named: "SYSTEM_"

The 16550A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_032"

The 16515/16A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_001"

You may have an additional problem because the 16516 is an expansion only
module and your must have a 16515 module before the 16516 will be of any
use.

The "SYSTEM_" files can be quite large and it may not be possible to get all
of the require files onto one of the 16500A disks. If this is you case then
put any additional files on a second disk and put it in the front drive. The
16500A only needs these at boot time. After the analyzer has booted you can
put a blank disk in the front drive to save your setups and captured traces.
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Tod Adamson
electronics forum beginner


Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Re: HP16500A Logic Analyzer Help Reply with quote

Keyzer,

Thank you for your generous help. Yes, I looked again and found that I have
both boards, the 16515 Master and the 16516 Slave. Can you point me in the
direction of the "SYSTEM_001" system file?

Thanks again for your generous help.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:kixug.131628$dW3.70134@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
Quote:
"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:4u-dneXHBeJhDifZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@adelphia.com...
I just bought a HP16500A logic analyzer. The OS ( Version 6.0) is booted
from a disk drive in the rear. This Unit has three timing modules
installed.
In the top slot is a 16550A 100MHz State / 500MHz Timing Module of 96
channels. The next two slots have the HP16516 16 channel 1 GHz Timing
Module. When I boot the analyzer only the top Module is recognized. Does
anyone know why the bottom modules are not being recognized?

Thanks,

Tod


The 16500 mainframe and each module needs its own system support file.

The 16500 mainframe needs the file named: "SYSTEM_"

The 16550A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_032"

The 16515/16A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_001"

You may have an additional problem because the 16516 is an expansion only
module and your must have a 16515 module before the 16516 will be of any
use.

The "SYSTEM_" files can be quite large and it may not be possible to get
all
of the require files onto one of the 16500A disks. If this is you case
then
put any additional files on a second disk and put it in the front drive.
The
16500A only needs these at boot time. After the analyzer has booted you
can
put a blank disk in the front drive to save your setups and captured
traces.

Back to top
Keyser Soze
electronics forum beginner


Joined: 13 May 2005
Posts: 31

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:18 am    Post subject: Re: HP16500A Logic Analyzer Help Reply with quote

This link is to the file 16500A_OP_SYS.zip

http://www.home.agilent.com/cgi-bin/pub/agilent/reuse/cp_ReferenceRedirector.jsp?CONTENT_NAME=AGILENT_EDITORIAL&CONTENT_KEY=792092&LANGUAGE_CODE=eng&COUNTRY_CODE=US

If the above link is too mangled or does not work go to the Agilent web
site:

http://www.agilent.com/

and search for "16500A"

The search should return a list of results with an entry titled:

"16500A Operating System Software (Version 6.00)"

This will be a link to the 16500A_OP_SYS.zip.

The file you need is OP_SYS\DISK4\system_0.01

The 16500A cannot read DOS format disks and these files
need to be copied using a special utility program.

This utility program (LIFUTIL.EXE) in the archive.

The LIFUTIL will copy files from a DOS file system
to the LIF file system used by the 16500A.

The LIFUTIL.EXE is designed to work from MSDOS.

The computer you run LIFUTIL on must be a DOS or Win98 system.

Windows 98 second edition was latest version it works with.

You will need a LIF formatted disk so use the 16500A mainframe
to make one.

Then use LIFUTIL to copy the file you need onto this disk:

Put your LIF formatted disk in your DOS computer.

Use the "DOS to LIF Copy" function

Be sure to select "File format conversion: DFS to LIF: file type preserved"

"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Keyzer,

Thank you for your generous help. Yes, I looked again and found that I
have
both boards, the 16515 Master and the 16516 Slave. Can you point me in the
direction of the "SYSTEM_001" system file?

Thanks again for your generous help.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:kixug.131628$dW3.70134@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:4u-dneXHBeJhDifZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@adelphia.com...
I just bought a HP16500A logic analyzer. The OS ( Version 6.0) is booted
from a disk drive in the rear. This Unit has three timing modules
installed.
In the top slot is a 16550A 100MHz State / 500MHz Timing Module of 96
channels. The next two slots have the HP16516 16 channel 1 GHz Timing
Module. When I boot the analyzer only the top Module is recognized.
Does
anyone know why the bottom modules are not being recognized?

Thanks,

Tod


The 16500 mainframe and each module needs its own system support file.

The 16500 mainframe needs the file named: "SYSTEM_"

The 16550A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_032"

The 16515/16A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_001"

You may have an additional problem because the 16516 is an expansion only
module and your must have a 16515 module before the 16516 will be of any
use.

The "SYSTEM_" files can be quite large and it may not be possible
to get all of the require files onto one of the 16500A disks.
If this is your case then put any additional files on a second
disk and put it in the front drive. The 16500A only needs these
at boot time. After the analyzer has booted you can put a blank
disk in the front drive to save your setups and captured traces.



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Tod Adamson
electronics forum beginner


Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: HP16500A Logic Analyzer Help Reply with quote

Keyser,

Thank you again. I appreciate your expertise.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:OjDug.131724$dW3.67002@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
Quote:
This link is to the file 16500A_OP_SYS.zip


http://www.home.agilent.com/cgi-bin/pub/agilent/reuse/cp_ReferenceRedirector.jsp?CONTENT_NAME=AGILENT_EDITORIAL&CONTENT_KEY=792092&LANGUAGE_CODE=eng&COUNTRY_CODE=US

If the above link is too mangled or does not work go to the Agilent web
site:

http://www.agilent.com/

and search for "16500A"

The search should return a list of results with an entry titled:

"16500A Operating System Software (Version 6.00)"

This will be a link to the 16500A_OP_SYS.zip.

The file you need is OP_SYS\DISK4\system_0.01

The 16500A cannot read DOS format disks and these files
need to be copied using a special utility program.

This utility program (LIFUTIL.EXE) in the archive.

The LIFUTIL will copy files from a DOS file system
to the LIF file system used by the 16500A.

The LIFUTIL.EXE is designed to work from MSDOS.

The computer you run LIFUTIL on must be a DOS or Win98 system.

Windows 98 second edition was latest version it works with.

You will need a LIF formatted disk so use the 16500A mainframe
to make one.

Then use LIFUTIL to copy the file you need onto this disk:

Put your LIF formatted disk in your DOS computer.

Use the "DOS to LIF Copy" function

Be sure to select "File format conversion: DFS to LIF: file type
preserved"

"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:iJSdnT_w6NhxQSfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Keyzer,

Thank you for your generous help. Yes, I looked again and found that I
have
both boards, the 16515 Master and the 16516 Slave. Can you point me in
the
direction of the "SYSTEM_001" system file?

Thanks again for your generous help.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:kixug.131628$dW3.70134@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:4u-dneXHBeJhDifZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@adelphia.com...
I just bought a HP16500A logic analyzer. The OS ( Version 6.0) is
booted
from a disk drive in the rear. This Unit has three timing modules
installed.
In the top slot is a 16550A 100MHz State / 500MHz Timing Module of 96
channels. The next two slots have the HP16516 16 channel 1 GHz Timing
Module. When I boot the analyzer only the top Module is recognized.
Does
anyone know why the bottom modules are not being recognized?

Thanks,

Tod


The 16500 mainframe and each module needs its own system support file.

The 16500 mainframe needs the file named: "SYSTEM_"

The 16550A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_032"

The 16515/16A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_001"

You may have an additional problem because the 16516 is an expansion
only
module and your must have a 16515 module before the 16516 will be of
any
use.

The "SYSTEM_" files can be quite large and it may not be possible
to get all of the require files onto one of the 16500A disks.
If this is your case then put any additional files on a second
disk and put it in the front drive. The 16500A only needs these
at boot time. After the analyzer has booted you can put a blank
disk in the front drive to save your setups and captured traces.





Back to top
Tod Adamson
electronics forum beginner


Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 11:41 pm    Post subject: Re: HP16500A Logic Analyzer Help Reply with quote

Keyzer,
I down loaded the ver. 6.0 zip file from the Agilent website but I can not
seem to get the disk built right for the analyzer. I am pretty sure that the
floppy drives in the analyzer are high density because I did a dick copy
operation from the rear drive to the front drive with a high density disk in
the front drive and verified that the analyzer booted properly with the
copied disk.

I used the utility LIFUTIL.exe to format a high density disk using a PC.
Then I ran the utility to copy the DOS files (SYSTEM_0.01) to the newly LIF
formatted disk. Then I put it in the analyzer and I got an error message
that the media was bad.

If you have any insight to this problem I would appreciate hearing from you
again.

Thanks,

"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:isqdnar7Xs9B4ibZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Quote:
Keyser,

Thank you again. I appreciate your expertise.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:OjDug.131724$dW3.67002@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
This link is to the file 16500A_OP_SYS.zip



http://www.home.agilent.com/cgi-bin/pub/agilent/reuse/cp_ReferenceRedirector.jsp?CONTENT_NAME=AGILENT_EDITORIAL&CONTENT_KEY=792092&LANGUAGE_CODE=eng&COUNTRY_CODE=US

If the above link is too mangled or does not work go to the Agilent web
site:

http://www.agilent.com/

and search for "16500A"

The search should return a list of results with an entry titled:

"16500A Operating System Software (Version 6.00)"

This will be a link to the 16500A_OP_SYS.zip.

The file you need is OP_SYS\DISK4\system_0.01

The 16500A cannot read DOS format disks and these files
need to be copied using a special utility program.

This utility program (LIFUTIL.EXE) in the archive.

The LIFUTIL will copy files from a DOS file system
to the LIF file system used by the 16500A.

The LIFUTIL.EXE is designed to work from MSDOS.

The computer you run LIFUTIL on must be a DOS or Win98 system.

Windows 98 second edition was latest version it works with.

You will need a LIF formatted disk so use the 16500A mainframe
to make one.

Then use LIFUTIL to copy the file you need onto this disk:

Put your LIF formatted disk in your DOS computer.

Use the "DOS to LIF Copy" function

Be sure to select "File format conversion: DFS to LIF: file type
preserved"

"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:iJSdnT_w6NhxQSfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Keyzer,

Thank you for your generous help. Yes, I looked again and found that I
have
both boards, the 16515 Master and the 16516 Slave. Can you point me in
the
direction of the "SYSTEM_001" system file?

Thanks again for your generous help.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:kixug.131628$dW3.70134@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:4u-dneXHBeJhDifZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@adelphia.com...
I just bought a HP16500A logic analyzer. The OS ( Version 6.0) is
booted
from a disk drive in the rear. This Unit has three timing modules
installed.
In the top slot is a 16550A 100MHz State / 500MHz Timing Module of
96
channels. The next two slots have the HP16516 16 channel 1 GHz
Timing
Module. When I boot the analyzer only the top Module is recognized.
Does
anyone know why the bottom modules are not being recognized?

Thanks,

Tod


The 16500 mainframe and each module needs its own system support
file.

The 16500 mainframe needs the file named: "SYSTEM_"

The 16550A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_032"

The 16515/16A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_001"

You may have an additional problem because the 16516 is an expansion
only
module and your must have a 16515 module before the 16516 will be of
any
use.

The "SYSTEM_" files can be quite large and it may not be possible
to get all of the require files onto one of the 16500A disks.
If this is your case then put any additional files on a second
disk and put it in the front drive. The 16500A only needs these
at boot time. After the analyzer has booted you can put a blank
disk in the front drive to save your setups and captured traces.







Back to top
Keyser Soze
electronics forum beginner


Joined: 13 May 2005
Posts: 31

PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: HP16500A Logic Analyzer Help Reply with quote

While high density disks will work in the 16500A the mainframe uses 720k
"double density" disk drives.

This means that it is troublesome to use the LIFUTIL for format disks in the
PC.

The LIFUTIL can format disks that will work in the 16500A but it also does
several types of disk formats that will not.

Since you can boot up the OS for the 16500A the easiest solution for your
setup is to always use the 16500A OS to format disks.

You may need to bulk the high density disks before they will format reliably
in the 16500A.

Another "feature" of the 16500A OS is that the disks must format with no bad
sectors.

You may need to try several before you get one that will work correctly.



"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:Lq-dnV1uWIySvSHZnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Quote:
Keyzer,
I down loaded the ver. 6.0 zip file from the Agilent website but I can not
seem to get the disk built right for the analyzer. I am pretty sure that
the
floppy drives in the analyzer are high density because I did a dick copy
operation from the rear drive to the front drive with a high density disk
in
the front drive and verified that the analyzer booted properly with the
copied disk.

I used the utility LIFUTIL.exe to format a high density disk using a PC.
Then I ran the utility to copy the DOS files (SYSTEM_0.01) to the newly
LIF
formatted disk. Then I put it in the analyzer and I got an error message
that the media was bad.

If you have any insight to this problem I would appreciate hearing from
you
again.

Thanks,

"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:isqdnar7Xs9B4ibZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Keyser,

Thank you again. I appreciate your expertise.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:OjDug.131724$dW3.67002@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
This link is to the file 16500A_OP_SYS.zip



http://www.home.agilent.com/cgi-bin/pub/agilent/reuse/cp_ReferenceRedirector.jsp?CONTENT_NAME=AGILENT_EDITORIAL&CONTENT_KEY=792092&LANGUAGE_CODE=eng&COUNTRY_CODE=US

If the above link is too mangled or does not work go to the Agilent web
site:

http://www.agilent.com/

and search for "16500A"

The search should return a list of results with an entry titled:

"16500A Operating System Software (Version 6.00)"

This will be a link to the 16500A_OP_SYS.zip.

The file you need is OP_SYS\DISK4\system_0.01

The 16500A cannot read DOS format disks and these files
need to be copied using a special utility program.

This utility program (LIFUTIL.EXE) in the archive.

The LIFUTIL will copy files from a DOS file system
to the LIF file system used by the 16500A.

The LIFUTIL.EXE is designed to work from MSDOS.

The computer you run LIFUTIL on must be a DOS or Win98 system.

Windows 98 second edition was latest version it works with.

You will need a LIF formatted disk so use the 16500A mainframe
to make one.

Then use LIFUTIL to copy the file you need onto this disk:

Put your LIF formatted disk in your DOS computer.

Use the "DOS to LIF Copy" function

Be sure to select "File format conversion: DFS to LIF: file type
preserved"

"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:iJSdnT_w6NhxQSfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Keyzer,

Thank you for your generous help. Yes, I looked again and found that
I
have
both boards, the 16515 Master and the 16516 Slave. Can you point me
in
the
direction of the "SYSTEM_001" system file?

Thanks again for your generous help.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:kixug.131628$dW3.70134@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:4u-dneXHBeJhDifZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@adelphia.com...
I just bought a HP16500A logic analyzer. The OS ( Version 6.0) is
booted
from a disk drive in the rear. This Unit has three timing modules
installed.
In the top slot is a 16550A 100MHz State / 500MHz Timing Module of
96
channels. The next two slots have the HP16516 16 channel 1 GHz
Timing
Module. When I boot the analyzer only the top Module is
recognized.
Does
anyone know why the bottom modules are not being recognized?

Thanks,

Tod


The 16500 mainframe and each module needs its own system support
file.

The 16500 mainframe needs the file named: "SYSTEM_"

The 16550A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_032"

The 16515/16A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_001"

You may have an additional problem because the 16516 is an expansion
only
module and your must have a 16515 module before the 16516 will be of
any
use.

The "SYSTEM_" files can be quite large and it may not be possible
to get all of the require files onto one of the 16500A disks.
If this is your case then put any additional files on a second
disk and put it in the front drive. The 16500A only needs these
at boot time. After the analyzer has booted you can put a blank
disk in the front drive to save your setups and captured traces.









Back to top
Tod Adamson
electronics forum beginner


Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Re: HP16500A Logic Analyzer Help Reply with quote

Keyser,

Yes, you were right. I found some old double density floppies and formatted
them in the analyzer and then using the LIFUTIL I was able to make a boot
disk for the 1 GHz timing modules. When I put it in the rear drive it booted
up and recognized the master and slave modules. Thank you very much for
helping me get this far. I do have one more question. I saw on the ends of
the cables that are connected to the timing modules have two machined
sockets. It looks like one connection is for ground and the other for the
signal to be measured. Do you use flying leads to connect to this or is
there some special grabber that you connect to a test point? I do have all
of the accessories for the 16550 module and maybe it is possible to use the
flying leads that connect to the woven ribbon cable.

Thanks again Keyser, I appreciate your help and I am grateful that you could
spare your valuable time to help me.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:S3Zug.173784$F_3.23535@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
Quote:
While high density disks will work in the 16500A the mainframe uses 720k
"double density" disk drives.

This means that it is troublesome to use the LIFUTIL for format disks in
the
PC.

The LIFUTIL can format disks that will work in the 16500A but it also does
several types of disk formats that will not.

Since you can boot up the OS for the 16500A the easiest solution for your
setup is to always use the 16500A OS to format disks.

You may need to bulk the high density disks before they will format
reliably
in the 16500A.

Another "feature" of the 16500A OS is that the disks must format with no
bad
sectors.

You may need to try several before you get one that will work correctly.



"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:Lq-dnV1uWIySvSHZnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Keyzer,
I down loaded the ver. 6.0 zip file from the Agilent website but I can
not
seem to get the disk built right for the analyzer. I am pretty sure that
the
floppy drives in the analyzer are high density because I did a dick copy
operation from the rear drive to the front drive with a high density
disk
in
the front drive and verified that the analyzer booted properly with the
copied disk.

I used the utility LIFUTIL.exe to format a high density disk using a PC.
Then I ran the utility to copy the DOS files (SYSTEM_0.01) to the newly
LIF
formatted disk. Then I put it in the analyzer and I got an error message
that the media was bad.

If you have any insight to this problem I would appreciate hearing from
you
again.

Thanks,

"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:isqdnar7Xs9B4ibZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Keyser,

Thank you again. I appreciate your expertise.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:OjDug.131724$dW3.67002@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
This link is to the file 16500A_OP_SYS.zip




http://www.home.agilent.com/cgi-bin/pub/agilent/reuse/cp_ReferenceRedirector.jsp?CONTENT_NAME=AGILENT_EDITORIAL&CONTENT_KEY=792092&LANGUAGE_CODE=eng&COUNTRY_CODE=US

If the above link is too mangled or does not work go to the Agilent
web
site:

http://www.agilent.com/

and search for "16500A"

The search should return a list of results with an entry titled:

"16500A Operating System Software (Version 6.00)"

This will be a link to the 16500A_OP_SYS.zip.

The file you need is OP_SYS\DISK4\system_0.01

The 16500A cannot read DOS format disks and these files
need to be copied using a special utility program.

This utility program (LIFUTIL.EXE) in the archive.

The LIFUTIL will copy files from a DOS file system
to the LIF file system used by the 16500A.

The LIFUTIL.EXE is designed to work from MSDOS.

The computer you run LIFUTIL on must be a DOS or Win98 system.

Windows 98 second edition was latest version it works with.

You will need a LIF formatted disk so use the 16500A mainframe
to make one.

Then use LIFUTIL to copy the file you need onto this disk:

Put your LIF formatted disk in your DOS computer.

Use the "DOS to LIF Copy" function

Be sure to select "File format conversion: DFS to LIF: file type
preserved"

"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:iJSdnT_w6NhxQSfZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Keyzer,

Thank you for your generous help. Yes, I looked again and found
that
I
have
both boards, the 16515 Master and the 16516 Slave. Can you point me
in
the
direction of the "SYSTEM_001" system file?

Thanks again for your generous help.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:kixug.131628$dW3.70134@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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I just bought a HP16500A logic analyzer. The OS ( Version 6.0) is
booted
from a disk drive in the rear. This Unit has three timing
modules
installed.
In the top slot is a 16550A 100MHz State / 500MHz Timing Module
of
96
channels. The next two slots have the HP16516 16 channel 1 GHz
Timing
Module. When I boot the analyzer only the top Module is
recognized.
Does
anyone know why the bottom modules are not being recognized?

Thanks,

Tod


The 16500 mainframe and each module needs its own system support
file.

The 16500 mainframe needs the file named: "SYSTEM_"

The 16550A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_032"

The 16515/16A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_001"

You may have an additional problem because the 16516 is an
expansion
only
module and your must have a 16515 module before the 16516 will be
of
any
use.

The "SYSTEM_" files can be quite large and it may not be possible
to get all of the require files onto one of the 16500A disks.
If this is your case then put any additional files on a second
disk and put it in the front drive. The 16500A only needs these
at boot time. After the analyzer has booted you can put a blank
disk in the front drive to save your setups and captured traces.











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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: HP16500A Logic Analyzer Help Reply with quote

The probes for the 16515/16 are designed to connect directly to your circuit.

When new the 16515/16 modules come with standard accessories that include short fly leads that connect to HP standard grabbers.

Each of the 16515/16 probe tips includes an input network.

The fly leads for the 16550 include an input network as well.

Using the 16550 fly leads with the 16515/16 probes may not give reliable measurements.

At one time HP did offer a 16550 type fly lead assembly without the input network.

It should be easy enough to put together something similar using available E-Z hook wire assemblies.

The link on the Agilent set to the 16515 operators guide seems to be bad. It links to the programming guide.

"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:6Y2dnfUq1KNm3iDZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
Quote:
Keyser,

Yes, you were right. I found some old double density floppies and formatted
them in the analyzer and then using the LIFUTIL I was able to make a boot
disk for the 1 GHz timing modules. When I put it in the rear drive it booted
up and recognized the master and slave modules. Thank you very much for
helping me get this far. I do have one more question. I saw on the ends of
the cables that are connected to the timing modules have two machined
sockets. It looks like one connection is for ground and the other for the
signal to be measured. Do you use flying leads to connect to this or is
there some special grabber that you connect to a test point? I do have all
of the accessories for the 16550 module and maybe it is possible to use the
flying leads that connect to the woven ribbon cable.

Thanks again Keyser, I appreciate your help and I am grateful that you could
spare your valuable time to help me.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
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While high density disks will work in the 16500A the mainframe uses 720k
"double density" disk drives.

This means that it is troublesome to use the LIFUTIL for format disks in
the
PC.

The LIFUTIL can format disks that will work in the 16500A but it also does
several types of disk formats that will not.

Since you can boot up the OS for the 16500A the easiest solution for your
setup is to always use the 16500A OS to format disks.

You may need to bulk the high density disks before they will format
reliably
in the 16500A.

Another "feature" of the 16500A OS is that the disks must format with no
bad
sectors.

You may need to try several before you get one that will work correctly.



"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Keyzer,
I down loaded the ver. 6.0 zip file from the Agilent website but I can
not
seem to get the disk built right for the analyzer. I am pretty sure that
the
floppy drives in the analyzer are high density because I did a dick copy
operation from the rear drive to the front drive with a high density
disk
in
the front drive and verified that the analyzer booted properly with the
copied disk.

I used the utility LIFUTIL.exe to format a high density disk using a PC.
Then I ran the utility to copy the DOS files (SYSTEM_0.01) to the newly
LIF
formatted disk. Then I put it in the analyzer and I got an error message
that the media was bad.

If you have any insight to this problem I would appreciate hearing from
you
again.

Thanks,

"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Keyser,

Thank you again. I appreciate your expertise.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
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This link is to the file 16500A_OP_SYS.zip




http://www.home.agilent.com/cgi-bin/pub/agilent/reuse/cp_ReferenceRedirector.jsp?CONTENT_NAME=AGILENT_EDITORIAL&CONTENT_KEY=792092&LANGUAGE_CODE=eng&COUNTRY_CODE=US

If the above link is too mangled or does not work go to the Agilent
web
site:

http://www.agilent.com/

and search for "16500A"

The search should return a list of results with an entry titled:

"16500A Operating System Software (Version 6.00)"

This will be a link to the 16500A_OP_SYS.zip.

The file you need is OP_SYS\DISK4\system_0.01

The 16500A cannot read DOS format disks and these files
need to be copied using a special utility program.

This utility program (LIFUTIL.EXE) is in the archive.

The LIFUTIL will copy files from a DOS file system
to the LIF file system used by the 16500A.

The LIFUTIL.EXE is designed to work from MSDOS.

The computer you run LIFUTIL on must be a DOS or Win98 system.

Windows 98 second edition was latest version it works with.

You will need a LIF formatted disk so use the 16500A mainframe
to make one.

Then use LIFUTIL to copy the file you need onto this disk:

Put your LIF formatted disk in your DOS computer.

Use the "DOS to LIF Copy" function

Be sure to select "File format conversion: DFS to LIF: file type
preserved"

"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Keyzer,

Thank you for your generous help. Yes, I looked again and found
that
I
have
both boards, the 16515 Master and the 16516 Slave. Can you point me
in
the
direction of the "SYSTEM_001" system file?

Thanks again for your generous help.

Tod

"Keyser Soze" <noreturn@nothere.com> wrote in message
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"Tod Adamson" <tadamson127@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:4u-dneXHBeJhDifZnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@adelphia.com...
I just bought a HP16500A logic analyzer. The OS ( Version 6.0) is
booted
from a disk drive in the rear. This Unit has three timing
modules
installed.
In the top slot is a 16550A 100MHz State / 500MHz Timing Module
of
96
channels. The next two slots have the HP16516 16 channel 1 GHz
Timing
Module. When I boot the analyzer only the top Module is
recognized.
Does
anyone know why the bottom modules are not being recognized?

Thanks,

Tod


The 16500 mainframe and each module needs its own system support
file.

The 16500 mainframe needs the file named: "SYSTEM_"

The 16550A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_032"

The 16515/16A needs the file named: "SYSTEM_001"

You may have an additional problem because the 16516 is an
expansion
only
module and your must have a 16515 module before the 16516 will be
of
any
use.

The "SYSTEM_" files can be quite large and it may not be possible
to get all of the require files onto one of the 16500A disks.
If this is your case then put any additional files on a second
disk and put it in the front drive. The 16500A only needs these
at boot time. After the analyzer has booted you can put a blank
disk in the front drive to save your setups and captured traces.













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