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Jim Thompson
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

On 20 Jul 2006 11:52:22 -0700, "PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html

Interesting take

I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.

Let battle be joined ;)

Cheers

PeteS

Some of us are smart enough to choose a job that is continuously fun.
Looks like Europeons don't enjoy their jobs.

...Jim Thompson
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Bill Sloman
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:
On 20 Jul 2006 11:52:22 -0700, "PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com
wrote:

The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html

Interesting take

I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.

Let battle be joined ;)

Cheers

PeteS

Some of us are smart enough to choose a job that is continuously fun.
Looks like Europeons don't enjoy their jobs.

Except that your job has got you to Europe and Australia so far, and -
I imagine - Japan, Tiawan and South America, though I don't recall you
mentioning any of those places. Pity that Guardian reporter's
assumption that travel would broad the American mind didn't work out in
your case.

As far as enjoying our jobs goes, most Europeans enjoy a lot more job
security than Americans, and rather less aggressive managers, which
does make for a more comfortable work-place.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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john jardine
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html

Interesting take

I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.

Let battle be joined ;)

Cheers

PeteS


The article should be read only as a passing thought from a middle class
media dilletante. Consider it's intrinsic value as that of a small fluffy
cloud scudding across an empty Blue sky.
UK reality is different. The vast majority of working people here, work just
to -survive-. They have no voice, so they are simply never heard.
Although I have zero knowledge or experience of American culture, my
suspicion is that the Americans work to improve themselves. "Holidays" are
therefore irrelevant.
john
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John Larkin
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

On 20 Jul 2006 11:52:22 -0700, "PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html

Interesting take

I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.

Let battle be joined ;)

Cheers

PeteS

It's impressive what drivel writers will crank out when they're up
against a deadline. Watch TV for an hour or two, get an idea, make
things up.

John
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amdx
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Quote:
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html

Interesting take

I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.

Let battle be joined Wink

Look what those hard working Americans have achieved in
their short time (230 years) vs. some more than one thousand
year old societies.
While at the same time pulling much of the world up.

Oh those bragadocious Americans!

God Bless America.
Mike
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Jim Thompson
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:46:54 -0500, "amdx" <amdx@knology.net> wrote:

Quote:

"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html

Interesting take

I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.

Let battle be joined ;)

Look what those hard working Americans have achieved in
their short time (230 years) vs. some more than one thousand
year old societies.
While at the same time pulling much of the world up.

Oh those bragadocious Americans!

God Bless America.
Mike


Land of the FREE, home of the BRAVE!

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
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Bill Sloman
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Posts: 1080

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

amdx wrote:
Quote:
"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html

Interesting take

I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.

Let battle be joined ;)

Look what those hard working Americans have achieved in
their short time (230 years) vs. some more than one thousand
year old societies.
While at the same time pulling much of the world up.

When it comes to pulling much of the workd up, America and Europe
actually share a common culture - the all-American Abrahams tank is a
pretty representative example of American leadership, with its German
gun and British armour.

Now if you could only bring yourselves to adopt one of the more
advanced European electoral systems, even just the British rules on
election expenditure ...

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Bill Sloman
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

Jim Thompson wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:46:54 -0500, "amdx" <amdx@knology.net> wrote:


"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html

Interesting take

I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.

Let battle be joined ;)

Look what those hard working Americans have achieved in
their short time (230 years) vs. some more than one thousand
year old societies.
While at the same time pulling much of the world up.

Oh those bragadocious Americans!

God Bless America.
Mike


Land of the FREE, home of the BRAVE!

Land of the suckers, home of the foolhardy.

God save America, it doesn't seem to be in a state to save itself.

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
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Genome
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Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Posts: 789

PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
Quote:

Interesting take


Let battle be joined ;)

Cheers

PeteS


OK.......

Let's run this Idea up the flagpole and see who can piss on it. Right, who
stole the flagpole?

This seems like a greenfield situation. Give it a nice mow. The management
will be along later to distribute some cowpats.

You're sacked. When we said we wanted people who could think out of the box
we were referring to those who were already in it.

I'm famous me, other people say so, so it must be true. If we stick together
we'll be convincing enough to maintain the illusion. Hold the Line!

DNA
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martin griffith
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Posts: 1098

PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:09:38 -0700, in sci.electronics.design Jim
Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:46:54 -0500, "amdx" <amdx@knology.net> wrote:


"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html

Interesting take

I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.

Let battle be joined ;)

Look what those hard working Americans have achieved in
their short time (230 years) vs. some more than one thousand
year old societies.
While at the same time pulling much of the world up.

Oh those bragadocious Americans!

God Bless America.
Mike


Land of the FREE, home of the BRAVE!

...Jim Thompson
two weeks vacations a year, yeah, free



martin
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John Larkin
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

On 20 Jul 2006 16:17:56 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Quote:
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

Europeans actually get more of a break than he indicates. It's called
unemployment. 15% unemployment is, on average, the same as getting an
additional 8 weeks off every year.

Quote:
Land of the suckers, home of the foolhardy.

God save America, it doesn't seem to be in a state to save itself.

Could you please elaborate? How does America need saving? It seems to
me that Europe is facing a demographic and employment brick-wall
across the road. The USA is doing fine. Well, maybe we could use a
little more exercize and a bit less pizza, but still doing fine,
overall.

John
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Wes Stewart
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

On 20 Jul 2006 16:15:16 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

Quote:

amdx wrote:
"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html

Interesting take

I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.

Let battle be joined ;)

Look what those hard working Americans have achieved in
their short time (230 years) vs. some more than one thousand
year old societies.
While at the same time pulling much of the world up.

When it comes to pulling much of the workd up, America and Europe
actually share a common culture - the all-American Abrahams tank is a
pretty representative example of American leadership, with its German
gun and British armour.


Many of our weapons systems use foreign parts, usually due to some
offset purchase agreement. "I'll buy your AMRAAM but you have to use
our widget" (and in the case of many customers, "loan me the money to
buy it from you.")

Quote:

Now if you could only bring yourselves to adopt one of the more
advanced European electoral systems, even just the British rules on
election expenditure ...

What ever do you mean? We lasted elected King George the Junior.
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Eeyore
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:06 am    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

John Larkin wrote:

Quote:
On 20 Jul 2006 16:17:56 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

Europeans actually get more of a break than he indicates. It's called
unemployment. 15% unemployment is, on average, the same as getting an
additional 8 weeks off every year.

Where on earth do you get 15% from ?

Graham
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Jim Thompson
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:17 am    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:06:23 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:


John Larkin wrote:

On 20 Jul 2006 16:17:56 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

Europeans actually get more of a break than he indicates. It's called
unemployment. 15% unemployment is, on average, the same as getting an
additional 8 weeks off every year.

Where on earth do you get 15% from ?

Graham

Geeez! I can understand your aggravation... it's only 11% ;-)

...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

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Eeyore
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:23 am    Post subject: Re: Blue sky thinking Reply with quote

Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:
On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:06:23 +0100, Eeyore
rabbitsfriendsandrelations@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On 20 Jul 2006 16:17:56 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:

The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world

Europeans actually get more of a break than he indicates. It's called
unemployment. 15% unemployment is, on average, the same as getting an
additional 8 weeks off every year.

Where on earth do you get 15% from ?

Graham

Geeez! I can understand your aggravation... it's only 11% ;-)

...Jim Thompson

It's not even that high in France for heaven's sake !

5% here. Less than the USA according to http://www.wi-countries.com/cy/2433

Graham
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