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PeterSmith1954@googlemail
electronics forum addict
Joined: 04 Jul 2006
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 Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject:
Blue sky thinking
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The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html
Interesting take
I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.
Let battle be joined ;)
Cheers
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Jim Thompson
electronics forum Guru
Joined: 06 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:33 pm Post subject:
Re: Blue sky thinking
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On 20 Jul 2006 11:52:22 -0700, "PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html
Interesting take
I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.
Let battle be joined ;)
Cheers
PeteS
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Some of us are smart enough to choose a job that is continuously fun.
Looks like Europeons don't enjoy their jobs.
...Jim Thompson
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Bill Sloman
electronics forum Guru
Joined: 12 May 2005
Posts: 1080
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Blue sky thinking
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Jim Thompson wrote:
| Quote: | On 20 Jul 2006 11:52:22 -0700, "PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com
wrote:
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html
Interesting take
I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.
Let battle be joined ;)
Cheers
PeteS
Some of us are smart enough to choose a job that is continuously fun.
Looks like Europeons don't enjoy their jobs.
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Except that your job has got you to Europe and Australia so far, and -
I imagine - Japan, Tiawan and South America, though I don't recall you
mentioning any of those places. Pity that Guardian reporter's
assumption that travel would broad the American mind didn't work out in
your case.
As far as enjoying our jobs goes, most Europeans enjoy a lot more job
security than Americans, and rather less aggressive managers, which
does make for a more comfortable work-place.
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john jardine
electronics forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
Posts: 233
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject:
Re: Blue sky thinking
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"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html
Interesting take
I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.
Let battle be joined ;)
Cheers
PeteS
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The article should be read only as a passing thought from a middle class
media dilletante. Consider it's intrinsic value as that of a small fluffy
cloud scudding across an empty Blue sky.
UK reality is different. The vast majority of working people here, work just
to -survive-. They have no voice, so they are simply never heard.
Although I have zero knowledge or experience of American culture, my
suspicion is that the Americans work to improve themselves. "Holidays" are
therefore irrelevant.
john |
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John Larkin
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Joined: 29 Apr 2005
Posts: 4320
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject:
Re: Blue sky thinking
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On 20 Jul 2006 11:52:22 -0700, "PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html
Interesting take
I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.
Let battle be joined ;)
Cheers
PeteS
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It's impressive what drivel writers will crank out when they're up
against a deadline. Watch TV for an hour or two, get an idea, make
things up.
John |
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amdx
electronics forum addict
Joined: 19 Jul 2005
Posts: 51
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject:
Re: Blue sky thinking
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"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html
Interesting take
I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.
Let battle be joined 
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Look what those hard working Americans have achieved in
their short time (230 years) vs. some more than one thousand
year old societies.
While at the same time pulling much of the world up.
Oh those bragadocious Americans!
God Bless America.
Mike |
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Jim Thompson
electronics forum Guru
Joined: 06 May 2005
Posts: 5440
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject:
Re: Blue sky thinking
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:46:54 -0500, "amdx" <amdx@knology.net> wrote:
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"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html
Interesting take
I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.
Let battle be joined ;)
Look what those hard working Americans have achieved in
their short time (230 years) vs. some more than one thousand
year old societies.
While at the same time pulling much of the world up.
Oh those bragadocious Americans!
God Bless America.
Mike
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Land of the FREE, home of the BRAVE!
...Jim Thompson
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| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |
I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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Bill Sloman
electronics forum Guru
Joined: 12 May 2005
Posts: 1080
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject:
Re: Blue sky thinking
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amdx wrote:
| Quote: | "PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html
Interesting take
I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.
Let battle be joined ;)
Look what those hard working Americans have achieved in
their short time (230 years) vs. some more than one thousand
year old societies.
While at the same time pulling much of the world up.
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When it comes to pulling much of the workd up, America and Europe
actually share a common culture - the all-American Abrahams tank is a
pretty representative example of American leadership, with its German
gun and British armour.
Now if you could only bring yourselves to adopt one of the more
advanced European electoral systems, even just the British rules on
election expenditure ...
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Bill Sloman
electronics forum Guru
Joined: 12 May 2005
Posts: 1080
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:17 pm Post subject:
Re: Blue sky thinking
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Jim Thompson wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:46:54 -0500, "amdx" <amdx@knology.net> wrote:
"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html
Interesting take
I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.
Let battle be joined ;)
Look what those hard working Americans have achieved in
their short time (230 years) vs. some more than one thousand
year old societies.
While at the same time pulling much of the world up.
Oh those bragadocious Americans!
God Bless America.
Mike
Land of the FREE, home of the BRAVE!
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Land of the suckers, home of the foolhardy.
God save America, it doesn't seem to be in a state to save itself.
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Genome
electronics forum Guru
Joined: 30 Apr 2005
Posts: 789
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject:
Re: Blue sky thinking
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"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
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Interesting take
Let battle be joined ;)
Cheers
PeteS
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OK.......
Let's run this Idea up the flagpole and see who can piss on it. Right, who
stole the flagpole?
This seems like a greenfield situation. Give it a nice mow. The management
will be along later to distribute some cowpats.
You're sacked. When we said we wanted people who could think out of the box
we were referring to those who were already in it.
I'm famous me, other people say so, so it must be true. If we stick together
we'll be convincing enough to maintain the illusion. Hold the Line!
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martin griffith
electronics forum Guru
Joined: 06 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:00 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:09:38 -0700, in sci.electronics.design Jim
Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:46:54 -0500, "amdx" <amdx@knology.net> wrote:
"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html
Interesting take
I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.
Let battle be joined ;)
Look what those hard working Americans have achieved in
their short time (230 years) vs. some more than one thousand
year old societies.
While at the same time pulling much of the world up.
Oh those bragadocious Americans!
God Bless America.
Mike
Land of the FREE, home of the BRAVE!
...Jim Thompson
two weeks vacations a year, yeah, free |
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John Larkin
electronics forum Guru
Joined: 29 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:21 am Post subject:
Re: Blue sky thinking
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On 20 Jul 2006 16:17:56 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
| Quote: | The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
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Europeans actually get more of a break than he indicates. It's called
unemployment. 15% unemployment is, on average, the same as getting an
additional 8 weeks off every year.
| Quote: | Land of the suckers, home of the foolhardy.
God save America, it doesn't seem to be in a state to save itself.
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Could you please elaborate? How does America need saving? It seems to
me that Europe is facing a demographic and employment brick-wall
across the road. The USA is doing fine. Well, maybe we could use a
little more exercize and a bit less pizza, but still doing fine,
overall.
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Wes Stewart
electronics forum Guru Wannabe
Joined: 13 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:03 am Post subject:
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On 20 Jul 2006 16:15:16 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
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amdx wrote:
"PeteS" <PeterSmith1954@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1153421542.639400.283610@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/columnists/story/0,,1824906,00.html
Interesting take
I've lived and worked in both Europe and the USA [just about 50:50]
over the last (almost) 40 years, and certainly much of what he says
makes sense.
Let battle be joined ;)
Look what those hard working Americans have achieved in
their short time (230 years) vs. some more than one thousand
year old societies.
While at the same time pulling much of the world up.
When it comes to pulling much of the workd up, America and Europe
actually share a common culture - the all-American Abrahams tank is a
pretty representative example of American leadership, with its German
gun and British armour.
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Many of our weapons systems use foreign parts, usually due to some
offset purchase agreement. "I'll buy your AMRAAM but you have to use
our widget" (and in the case of many customers, "loan me the money to
buy it from you.")
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Now if you could only bring yourselves to adopt one of the more
advanced European electoral systems, even just the British rules on
election expenditure ...
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What ever do you mean? We lasted elected King George the Junior. |
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Eeyore
electronics forum Guru
Joined: 22 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:06 am Post subject:
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John Larkin wrote:
| Quote: | On 20 Jul 2006 16:17:56 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
Europeans actually get more of a break than he indicates. It's called
unemployment. 15% unemployment is, on average, the same as getting an
additional 8 weeks off every year.
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Where on earth do you get 15% from ?
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Jim Thompson
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:06:23 +0100, Eeyore
<rabbitsfriendsandrelations@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:
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John Larkin wrote:
On 20 Jul 2006 16:17:56 -0700, bill.sloman@ieee.org wrote:
The American work ethic may be admirable enough, but if they took a
break every now and then, argues Paul Harris, they might learn a bit
about the rest of the world
Europeans actually get more of a break than he indicates. It's called
unemployment. 15% unemployment is, on average, the same as getting an
additional 8 weeks off every year.
Where on earth do you get 15% from ?
Graham
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Geeez! I can understand your aggravation... it's only 11% ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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