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Pig Bladder
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: OT: ...surveillance of drinking water... Reply with quote

On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:01:17 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

Quote:
http://awwa.org/communications/journal/2005/January/ExecSumm/ES3calles0105.cfm

by Jennifer Renee (Thompson) Calles

(Number 2 daughter ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Yeah, I'm impressed. Thompson's rug rats discover weapons of mass
destruction ambedded in our fluoridation.

Aren't neocons smart?
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Simon Peacock
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Buyer beware! Re: Protel DXP2004 & 99SE license Reply with quote

Well with the current cost of Protel... Yes it is worth it.... I would even
go so far as to say create a dummy company when you want to buy the
software.. and let it buy it.. and just have the parent company own it lock
stock and barrel.

Simon


"Brad Velander" <SpamThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:v5%Ld.250984$Xk.169085@pd7tw3no...
Quote:
Simon,
Good points, I had not heard of the 99SE limited licenses.
You are correct about the sale of the company or a
subsidiary. That is common with most CAD software licenses as
well. (I know this first hand because I have investigated that
several times when my employers were bought by another company.)

But once you are finished, was it worth it?
--
Sincerely,
Brad Velander

"Simon Peacock" <nowhere@to.be.found> wrote in message
news:42007c82@news.actrix.gen.nz...
Actually .. not all Protel 99SE are transferable.. later ones
aren't either.
Of course you can actually set up a company owning the licenses
and sell the
company to get around this.. perfectly legal Smile
I believe that the Altium will also allow a subsidiary to get
licenses but
you have to get approval first

Simon

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Tom Del Rosso
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: ...surveillance of drinking water... Reply with quote

"David" <david.nospam@westcontrol.removethis.com> wrote in message
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Quote:

WII veterans had another saying - "When the Germans fired, the British
ducked. When the British fired, the Germans ducked. When the Americans
fired, everybody ducked."

A captured Japanese soldier was asked who is the best at jungle warfare.

"The British", he said.

"What about the Americans", he was asked.

"The Americans don't fight in the jungle. They destroy the jungle, then
they fight."

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Svenn Are Bjerkem
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Exportability of EDA industry from North America? Reply with quote

Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Quote:
Do you know that for a fact? A while ago I was talking to some
developers who worked with their company's "European" team on a large
software project- in St. Petersburg Russia.

That part of Russia belongs to the old definition of Europe, and most of
them wants to join the European Union, because in the European Union it
is forbidden to discriminate work.

I think it is more a question what the salary is compared to level and
quality of education. Many of the former east-block countries have
exellent engineers and they are not so expencive as the western-european
engineers.

It is such a pity that most of the politicians who put up the legal
framework for globalization never had to face competition on uneven levels
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David
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: ...surveillance of drinking water... Reply with quote

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 17:16:32 +0000, gwhite wrote:

Quote:
Tom Del Rosso wrote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:pjk0015csksq5n39dqep9t28ekmni3tphr@4ax.com...
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:53:36 GMT, "Ban" <bansuri@web.de> wrote:

Hey Jim,
who was it giving a *FRENCH* name to his daughter?

41 years ago, who was to know ?:-)

Well, Eisenhower did say, "Never trust the French", but I guess we needed a
reminder.


"I would rather have the German army in front of me than the French army behind
me." -- Gen. G. Patton

WII veterans had another saying - "When the Germans fired, the British
ducked. When the British fired, the Germans ducked. When the Americans
fired, everybody ducked."
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Watson A.Name - \"Wa
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: OT: ...surveillance of drinking water... Reply with quote

"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley7@xprt.net> wrote in message
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"Pig Bladder" <pigbladder@neodruid.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.02.03.06.15.19.529307@neodruid.net...
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:01:17 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:


http://awwa.org/communications/journal/2005/January/ExecSumm/ES3calles01

05.cfm
Quote:

by Jennifer Renee (Thompson) Calles

(Number 2 daughter ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Yeah, I'm impressed. Thompson's rug rats discover weapons of mass
destruction ambedded in our fluoridation.

Aren't neocons smart?
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, Still Waiting for
Some Hot Babe to Ask What My Favorite Planet Is.

Thats "progressive"??? Plonk!

No, It's **PLONK**
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Richard Crowley
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: OT: ...surveillance of drinking water... Reply with quote

"Pig Bladder" <pigbladder@neodruid.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.02.03.06.15.19.529307@neodruid.net...
Quote:
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 17:01:17 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

http://awwa.org/communications/journal/2005/January/ExecSumm/ES3calles0105.cfm

by Jennifer Renee (Thompson) Calles

(Number 2 daughter ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Yeah, I'm impressed. Thompson's rug rats discover weapons of mass
destruction ambedded in our fluoridation.

Aren't neocons smart?
--
The Pig Bladder From Uranus, Still Waiting for
Some Hot Babe to Ask What My Favorite Planet Is.

Thats "progressive"??? Plonk!
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Spehro Pefhany
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Exportability of EDA industry from North America? Reply with quote

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 01:34:47 GMT, the renowned Joerg
<notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net> wrote:

Quote:
Hello Spehro,

The motivation is green (at least the US version is) and there is lots
and lots of it to be had.



It might not always pan out that way. I am just transitioning to a
European CAD program so the green flows in the other direction. They
didn't outsource it and still had the best pricing.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com

Do you know that for a fact? A while ago I was talking to some
developers who worked with their company's "European" team on a large
software project- in St. Petersburg Russia.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
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Joerg
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Exportability of EDA industry from North America? Reply with quote

Hello Spehro,

Quote:
The motivation is green (at least the US version is) and there is lots
and lots of it to be had.



It might not always pan out that way. I am just transitioning to a
European CAD program so the green flows in the other direction. They
didn't outsource it and still had the best pricing.

Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com
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Spehro Pefhany
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Exportability of EDA industry from North America? Reply with quote

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:46:08 GMT, the renowned Winston Smith
<winston@1984.com> wrote:

Quote:
With those negatives you have to wonder what these CEOs are thinking by
placing their balls firmly in the grasp of the Chinese.

The motivation is green (at least the US version is) and there is lots
and lots of it to be had.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
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Winston Smith
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Exportability of EDA industry from North America? Reply with quote

ptkwt@aracnet.com (Phil Tomson) wrote in
news:cpsaav02be3@enews1.newsguy.com:

Quote:
In article <aqUz8KBGOYwBFw$7@jmwa.demon.co.uk>,
John Woodgate <noone@yuk.yuk> wrote:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Phil Tomson <ptkwt@aracnet.com
wrote (in <cprnfc02h25@enews3.newsguy.com>) about 'Exportability of
EDA industry from North America?', on Thu, 16 Dec 2004:

It's not a pretty picture. The standard of living will likely have
to fall a good bit in the US before you see these kinds of jobs move
back.

Or the standard of living elsewhere will have to rise.

True. We'll have to meet in the middle somewhere. This is partly why
the dollar is falling (also because of the national debt, of course).
The fact remains that the US standard of living will have to fall in
this kind of a free-trade system. It's not going to be pretty for the
US standard of living to fall that way - it hasn't really happened
before.

Phil

Meeting in the middle will be very hard for Americans, especially when
the middle will be population-weighted billions of Indians and Chinese
200 plus million of us in the USA. Already those high paid Malysians
and others in Asia have been squeezed by the even lower cost Chinese.
The middle probably represents a per capita income of $5,000.

Once all the technology and industry that are the basis of the USA's
strength are transported to Asia, we'll see how our position in the
world changes. Once all the technical people are over there, they will
be the onese in the drivers seat. And they will not need American CEOS
for long. No it won't be pretty.

Since China has its currency tied to the dollar, there has been no self
correcting economic feeback loop to stem the trade deficit with them.
Otherwise our currency would have fallen against theirs and the price of
their products would have gone up. Instead we are in a death spiral
with an elephant.

Not that all is rosy for the Chinese or the CEOs sending all the work
there. All the Chinese banks are insolvant, there is no financial
transparency, corruption is rampant, contracts may not be enforcable,
intellectual property is stolen outright, its difficult to take money
out of the country, the political situation can change at any moment, a
billion peasants are poor and restless and then there is Tiawan.

With those negatives you have to wonder what these CEOs are thinking by
placing their balls firmly in the grasp of the Chinese.
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gwhite
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Joined: 06 May 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: ...surveillance of drinking water... Reply with quote

Tom Del Rosso wrote:
Quote:

"Jim Thompson" <thegreatone@example.com> wrote in message
news:pjk0015csksq5n39dqep9t28ekmni3tphr@4ax.com...
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:53:36 GMT, "Ban" <bansuri@web.de> wrote:

Hey Jim,
who was it giving a *FRENCH* name to his daughter?

41 years ago, who was to know ?:-)

Well, Eisenhower did say, "Never trust the French", but I guess we needed a
reminder.


"I would rather have the German army in front of me than the French army behind
me." -- Gen. G. Patton
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Genome
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: ...surveillance of drinking water... Reply with quote

"Bob Stephens" <stephensyomamadigital@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 05:56:52 GMT, Genome wrote:

It's quite branedead of you to crosspost it all over usenet.

DNA

Ahem.

Indeed!

DNA
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Bob Stephens
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: ...surveillance of drinking water... Reply with quote

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 05:56:52 GMT, Genome wrote:

Quote:
It's quite branedead of you to crosspost it all over usenet.

DNA

Ahem.
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Cliff
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Offshore software development outsourcing Reply with quote

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 09:58:29 -0500, Chuck Harris
<cf-NO-SPAM-harris@erols.com> wrote:

Quote:
Cliff wrote:


Fascinating! The NAFTA and GATT laws that made this possible were the
spawn of the Clinton administration.


Some neocons been whispering in your ear?

Bush-I did the first NAFTA, Bush-II expanded it.

"President Bush signed the NAFTA agreement on December 17, 1992"
"George W. Bush wants to expand NAFTA. He currently is negotiating a
Free Trade Area of the Americas agreement that will expand NAFTA to 34
Central and South American countries as soon as 2005.

GHW Bush started the process,

President Bush signed NAFTA in December 1992.
How many years do you think it took him to get it
in the first place? Lots of work .....

Quote:
Clinton pushed it through congress

This would be the Rebublican controlled congress, right?

Quote:
and signed it into law:

"But Clinton’s real emphasis in foreign policy was on what could be
called economic globalism. He believed that the country’s
security and prosperity depended upon removing barriers to trade
with other nations and upon stabilizing nations with economic troubles.

As compared & contrasted with endless wars based on blatent
lies. And huge deficits (taxpayer debt to be repaid later after the
free money is long gome) & gifts to special interests? Or faith-based
government?

Quote:
Despite opposition from members of his own party, Clinton pushed
two major trade agreements through Congress in his first term:
the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), in 1993, and,
the following year, a global trade agreement that created
the World Trade Organization." - MSN Encarta

GATT was created in 1947.
The WTO came out of this. NEITHER is run by the US.
What parts of "World" and "International" were unclear?

Someone is lying big time <G>.

Quote:
The organization we call GATT has been around since the '40s, but the
treaty that did all of the damage was Clinton's.

I'm not the one making claims about effects.

Quote:
Etc., etc., etc.

Bush-II is the one wanting to import slave labor at very low wages
from Mexico as well.


Hillary won't be getting one. They are part of the presidential fleet.


Exactly my point <G>.


She may run for president in 2008, but she won't win.


Looks like the neocons will have worn out the old fleet
(going on all those taxpayer-paid vacations) so she will
need a new one.

You are making no sense!

Too many paid vacations?
--
Cliff
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