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jeffgreinert@yahoo.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 4:37 am    Post subject: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

Most of the time, my Sony PS-LX430 turntable runs too slow. On the
occasion when it'll run at the correct speed, it will sometimes
suddenly speed way up for a few seconds then go back to normal. Other
times, it'll play OK then suddently slow down, where , as I said, it
remains most of the time.

When it's too fast or too slow, it's at neither 33 RPM nor 45 RPM.

Because it occasionally runs too fast, it doesn't seem likely it's a
stretched-out belt. Any suggestions on what the problem can be?

Thanks.

-- Jeff
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James Thompson
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:09 am    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

<jeffgreinert@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Most of the time, my Sony PS-LX430 turntable runs too slow. On the
occasion when it'll run at the correct speed, it will sometimes
suddenly speed way up for a few seconds then go back to normal. Other
times, it'll play OK then suddently slow down, where , as I said, it
remains most of the time.

When it's too fast or too slow, it's at neither 33 RPM nor 45 RPM.

Because it occasionally runs too fast, it doesn't seem likely it's a
stretched-out belt. Any suggestions on what the problem can be?

Thanks.

-- Jeff

Some turntables have a dc motor that has a built in speed control.

If you can take it apart and look over the motor and find a small hole on
the bottom of it, that may be the adjustment control. Maybe try a little
contact cleaner there and see what it does.
Just my 2 cents in. JTT
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swamp_y@hotmail.com
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

Hi James

As i was once a prefered sony repairer my memory evades me as to
weather or not it is a direct drive or belt drive t/table. if it is a
direct drive then as the previous reply suggests try that one out
otherwise replace the actual motor itself.

There are several cheap non orgional brands out there such as the
generic dai ichi brand ccw or cw (counter clockwise or clockwise this
is normaly noted on the back of the motor along with voltage ratings
etc) If there is a small hole also in the back then it is surely a
speed controlled type.

If it is a belt drive type the belt may not be stretching as such but
maybe stickey or gooey. I know this is usally consistant with old
stretching belts but i have in the past found the belt to be fine is
size but still gooey. In that case replace it and clean the turntable
plate where the belt runs and also the brass speed adjuster, this
sticky stuff builds up on both places and can cause all kinds of wierd
faults.

Just a few hints, you may have alread explored them.

Phill
James Thompson wrote:
Quote:
jeffgreinert@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Most of the time, my Sony PS-LX430 turntable runs too slow. On the
occasion when it'll run at the correct speed, it will sometimes
suddenly speed way up for a few seconds then go back to normal. Other
times, it'll play OK then suddently slow down, where , as I said, it
remains most of the time.

When it's too fast or too slow, it's at neither 33 RPM nor 45 RPM.

Because it occasionally runs too fast, it doesn't seem likely it's a
stretched-out belt. Any suggestions on what the problem can be?

Thanks.

-- Jeff

Some turntables have a dc motor that has a built in speed control.
If you can take it apart and look over the motor and find a small hole on
the bottom of it, that may be the adjustment control. Maybe try a little
contact cleaner there and see what it does.
Just my 2 cents in. JTT
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n cook
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

<jeffgreinert@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Most of the time, my Sony PS-LX430 turntable runs too slow. On the
occasion when it'll run at the correct speed, it will sometimes
suddenly speed way up for a few seconds then go back to normal. Other
times, it'll play OK then suddently slow down, where , as I said, it
remains most of the time.

When it's too fast or too slow, it's at neither 33 RPM nor 45 RPM.

Because it occasionally runs too fast, it doesn't seem likely it's a
stretched-out belt. Any suggestions on what the problem can be?

Thanks.

-- Jeff


If like the PS LX520 then crystal controlled servo operation of speed
control so no pots.
Does it use a TC9142 servo controller ?

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Arfa Daily
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

<swamp_y@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Hi James

As i was once a prefered sony repairer my memory evades me as to
weather or not it is a direct drive or belt drive t/table. if it is a
direct drive then as the previous reply suggests try that one out
otherwise replace the actual motor itself.

There are several cheap non orgional brands out there such as the
generic dai ichi brand ccw or cw (counter clockwise or clockwise this
is normaly noted on the back of the motor along with voltage ratings
etc) If there is a small hole also in the back then it is surely a
speed controlled type.

If it is a belt drive type the belt may not be stretching as such but
maybe stickey or gooey. I know this is usally consistant with old
stretching belts but i have in the past found the belt to be fine is
size but still gooey. In that case replace it and clean the turntable
plate where the belt runs and also the brass speed adjuster, this
sticky stuff builds up on both places and can cause all kinds of wierd
faults.

Just a few hints, you may have alread explored them.

Phill

I think you are getting confused about what constitutes a " direct drive "
turntable. A directly driven turntable is one where the centre bearing of
the platter is also the shaft / bearing of the motor - ie the motor *itself*
runs at either 33 or 45 RPM, and is an integral part of the speed control
servo loop. It usually employs a multi-magnet rotor, which is often part of
the platter itself, and is driven by an electronically generated and
controlled rotating field that is applied to the stator coils. This is not
the case where a small DC motor with an internal governor, is fitted, such
as has been described. These invariably run at a couple of thousand RPM, and
drive the platter via a belt. The other drive scheme, now obsolete for many
years, is idler drive, where a high speed motor with a stepped shaft, drives
the inside rim of the platter, via a spring-loaded rubber jockey wheel.

I'm pretty sure that these Sonys use a belt-drive from a small DC motor, but
I have a dim recollection of them having an external control board, with a
difficult to obtain 4 pin regulator IC, which had a habit of failing. I
could be completely wrong there, it's been a long time since I saw one, but
there's definitely some bells ringing somewhere ...

It's probably worth the OP just checking the joints on the regulator, and
any speed-set pots and selector switches, but I think it likely that he will
be up for at least a replacement regulator IC, and probably motor as well,
if they are still available. It may be possible to sub a cassette motor with
an internal governor, but bear in mind that one of the dual speed ones would
have to be used, which always use external speed-set pots, and it may be
difficult to get the required shaft speeds and torque, to match the pulley
size fitted to the original.

Arfa
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Laurence Payne
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Joined: 07 Jun 2005
Posts: 11

PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

On 14 Jul 2006 01:25:30 -0700, swamp_y@hotmail.com wrote:

Quote:
As i was once a prefered sony repairer my memory evades me as to
weather or not it is a direct drive or belt drive t/table.

Is there some connection between being a preferred Sony repairer and
memory loss then? Also, apparently, dyslexia? Smile
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Leonard Caillouet
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Joined: 24 Mar 2005
Posts: 400

PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

A stretched belt can cause a TT to run too fast by riding up on the edge of
the pulley.

Leonard

<jeffgreinert@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Most of the time, my Sony PS-LX430 turntable runs too slow. On the
occasion when it'll run at the correct speed, it will sometimes
suddenly speed way up for a few seconds then go back to normal. Other
times, it'll play OK then suddently slow down, where , as I said, it
remains most of the time.

When it's too fast or too slow, it's at neither 33 RPM nor 45 RPM.

Because it occasionally runs too fast, it doesn't seem likely it's a
stretched-out belt. Any suggestions on what the problem can be?

Thanks.

-- Jeff
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swamp_y@hotmail.com
electronics forum beginner


Joined: 14 Jul 2006
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

It usually employs a multi-magnet rotor, which is often part of
the platter itself, and is driven by an electronically generated and
controlled rotating field that is applied to the stator coils. This is
not
the case where a small DC motor with an internal governor, is fitted,
such as has been described.

This is quite true indeed as i did not suggest anything about that i
simply asked the question. It too has been awhile since i looked at one
as well.

As for the reply from Mr Payne in the ass.

You sir are the reason why a lot of ppl simply read and do not reply to
posts. It is with comments like yours that drive ppl away from these
sites. I did not see your input either. So instead of adding remarks
like that, why not use the quick wit you have displayed and vist the
quick wit groups and save us all the from your unwanted BS comments
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Chuck
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Joined: 02 May 2005
Posts: 49

PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

On 13 Jul 2006 21:37:01 -0700, jeffgreinert@yahoo.com wrote:

Quote:
Most of the time, my Sony PS-LX430 turntable runs too slow. On the
occasion when it'll run at the correct speed, it will sometimes
suddenly speed way up for a few seconds then go back to normal. Other
times, it'll play OK then suddently slow down, where , as I said, it
remains most of the time.

When it's too fast or too slow, it's at neither 33 RPM nor 45 RPM.

Because it occasionally runs too fast, it doesn't seem likely it's a
stretched-out belt. Any suggestions on what the problem can be?

Thanks.

-- Jeff
Try spraying the speed switch with deoxid 5 and working it back and

forth a few times and if you can reach them, the speed pots. If this
takes care of the speed drift, then set the pots for accurate speeds.
Chuck
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Franc Zabkar
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Joined: 01 May 2005
Posts: 616

PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

On Fri, 14 Jul 2006 09:13:13 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

Quote:

swamp_y@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1152865529.958535.33550@35g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Hi James

As i was once a prefered sony repairer my memory evades me as to
weather or not it is a direct drive or belt drive t/table. if it is a
direct drive then as the previous reply suggests try that one out
otherwise replace the actual motor itself.

There are several cheap non orgional brands out there such as the
generic dai ichi brand ccw or cw (counter clockwise or clockwise this
is normaly noted on the back of the motor along with voltage ratings
etc) If there is a small hole also in the back then it is surely a
speed controlled type.

If it is a belt drive type the belt may not be stretching as such but
maybe stickey or gooey. I know this is usally consistant with old
stretching belts but i have in the past found the belt to be fine is
size but still gooey. In that case replace it and clean the turntable
plate where the belt runs and also the brass speed adjuster, this
sticky stuff builds up on both places and can cause all kinds of wierd
faults.

Just a few hints, you may have alread explored them.

Phill

I think you are getting confused about what constitutes a " direct drive "
turntable. A directly driven turntable is one where the centre bearing of
the platter is also the shaft / bearing of the motor - ie the motor *itself*
runs at either 33 or 45 RPM, and is an integral part of the speed control
servo loop. It usually employs a multi-magnet rotor, which is often part of
the platter itself, and is driven by an electronically generated and
controlled rotating field that is applied to the stator coils. This is not
the case where a small DC motor with an internal governor, is fitted, such
as has been described. These invariably run at a couple of thousand RPM, and
drive the platter via a belt. The other drive scheme, now obsolete for many
years, is idler drive, where a high speed motor with a stepped shaft, drives
the inside rim of the platter, via a spring-loaded rubber jockey wheel.

I'm pretty sure that these Sonys use a belt-drive from a small DC motor, but
I have a dim recollection of them having an external control board, with a
difficult to obtain 4 pin regulator IC, which had a habit of failing. I
could be completely wrong there, it's been a long time since I saw one, but
there's definitely some bells ringing somewhere ...

There are a few service manuals here:
http://www.vinylengine.com/library.php?make=Sony

The cheapies (LX-40/43/44) appear to use a cheap 2-speed DC motor and
a belt drive. I don't see the LX-430, though.

Quote:
It's probably worth the OP just checking the joints on the regulator, and
any speed-set pots and selector switches, but I think it likely that he will
be up for at least a replacement regulator IC, and probably motor as well,
if they are still available. It may be possible to sub a cassette motor with
an internal governor, but bear in mind that one of the dual speed ones would
have to be used, which always use external speed-set pots, and it may be
difficult to get the required shaft speeds and torque, to match the pulley
size fitted to the original.

Arfa

A free service manual is available from this site:
http://www.user-service-manuals.com

Sony PS-LX430 Service Manual (includes extraction from Instruction
Manual (User Manual)) in English PS-LX430 / PS-LX430C / PS-LX431 /
PS-LX431N / PS-LX433 9-952-171-11

BTW, I have obtained one manual from this site in the past. The site
owner asks that you donate to a particular human rights organisation
but will still allow you to download a manual if you have already
donated to other charitable organisations of your choosing.

- Franc Zabkar
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Eiron
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

Arfa Daily wrote:

Quote:
The other drive scheme, now obsolete for many
years, is idler drive, where a high speed motor with a stepped shaft, drives
the inside rim of the platter, via a spring-loaded rubber jockey wheel.

Garrard 501.

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Eiron

No good deed ever goes unpunished.
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Arfa Daily
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

"Eiron" <e1ron@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Arfa Daily wrote:

The other drive scheme, now obsolete for many years, is idler drive,
where a high speed motor with a stepped shaft, drives the inside rim of
the platter, via a spring-loaded rubber jockey wheel.

Garrard 501.


This, however, is NOT your bog standard motor and jockey wheel drive. It is

instead, a precision motor and specially made drive wheel assembly, fitted
to a phono deck that costs 10,500 ( That's ten THOUSAND ) quid. I would
expect to get a very superior drive system for that. I'm not sure that I can
accept all the blurb that's published on this deck, in an effort to justify
its ridiculous cost. I think most people, including those who profess to be
able to hear the difference between interconnects, would struggle to hear
the few dB extra 'quietness' in the drive system over a belt drive, that the
makers claim. I notice that they do not quote any figures over a genuine
direct drive system. As far as the claims about wow and flutter go, again, I
would dispute that this can be genuinely 'heard' without the use of
sophisticated test equipment, if comparing the 501 to a good quality belt or
direct drive deck, with a heavy platter. The laws of physics dictate that
due to the inertial mass of the platter, you simply can't make rapid changes
to its rotational speed. It would be interesting to know what type of motor
is actually used in the 501, and how exactly its apparent speed stability is
achieved. There are people, I know, who will always claim that things like
this are definitely better, and worth every penny of the price, but I rather
suspect that many of them, are still combing e-Bay to find a bottle of snake
oil to lube their tonearm bearings with ...

Arfa
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Franc Zabkar
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Joined: 01 May 2005
Posts: 616

PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:24:08 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
<arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

Quote:
There are people, I know, who will always claim that things like
this are definitely better, and worth every penny of the price, but I rather
suspect that many of them, are still combing e-Bay to find a bottle of snake
oil to lube their tonearm bearings with ...

Arfa

Sorry, I just had to check:
http://tinyurl.com/o6vfp

:-)

- Franc Zabkar
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Arfa Daily
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 17, 2006 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: Sony turntable runs too fast, too slow Reply with quote

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:24:08 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
arfa.daily@ntlworld.com> put finger to keyboard and composed:

There are people, I know, who will always claim that things like
this are definitely better, and worth every penny of the price, but I
rather
suspect that many of them, are still combing e-Bay to find a bottle of
snake
oil to lube their tonearm bearings with ...

Arfa

Sorry, I just had to check:
http://tinyurl.com/o6vfp

:-)

- Franc Zabkar
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Ha!! I'll post on one of the HiFi groups immediately !!

Arfa d;~}
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